Truth,,,from consequences wrote:Additionally, bankruptcy forces a company to restructure itself in less wasteful ways.Too bad they didn't take full advantage of that. They will continue struggling when competing with non-unionized manufacturers...
Truth,,,from consequences wrote:MMM, careful what you wish for...the scenario you describe would have put far more people out of work, and left far more shareholders without a stake.
No, it was the best path. At times like these, we have to accept that the right path is the one that causes the least damage overall.
sndsgood wrote:Truth,,,from consequences wrote:MMM, careful what you wish for...the scenario you describe would have put far more people out of work, and left far more shareholders without a stake.
No, it was the best path. At times like these, we have to accept that the right path is the one that causes the least damage overall.
yeah but i just hate the fact that the company that screws up and makes the mistake get taken care of scott free while the companies who weren't the problem gettign screwed. makes you want to run out get 20 credit cards, max them all out then ask the goverment to absolve your debts cause you made an oopsy.
OHV notec wrote:Truth,,,from consequences wrote:Additionally, bankruptcy forces a company to restructure itself in less wasteful ways.Too bad they didn't take full advantage of that. They will continue struggling when competing with non-unionized manufacturers...
sndsgood wrote:makes you want to run out get 20 credit cards, max them all out then ask the goverment to absolve your debts cause you made an oopsy.Funny you should say that:
OHV notec wrote:sndsgood wrote:makes you want to run out get 20 credit cards, max them all out then ask the goverment to absolve your debts cause you made an oopsy.Funny you should say that:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2010-01-21/news/better-off-deadbeat-craig-cunningham-has-a-simple-solution-for-getting-bill-collectors-off-his-back-he-sues-them/
Truth,,,from consequences wrote:sndsgood wrote:Truth,,,from consequences wrote:MMM, careful what you wish for...the scenario you describe would have put far more people out of work, and left far more shareholders without a stake.
No, it was the best path. At times like these, we have to accept that the right path is the one that causes the least damage overall.
yeah but i just hate the fact that the company that screws up and makes the mistake get taken care of scott free while the companies who weren't the problem gettign screwed. makes you want to run out get 20 credit cards, max them all out then ask the goverment to absolve your debts cause you made an oopsy.
Such are the laws regarding bankruptcy. Much like your objection to eminent domain, this is another case where you don't seem to accept that the greater good means that some folks must pay a price. The needs of the many do indeed outweigh the needs of the few...a more natural law cannot be found.
These are laws that are employed to minimize damage and maximize benefit, so they are just and logical. Of course, this excludes abuses of either, but that's another subject altogether.
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:I can say from the parts end anyway, getting some things has been hard over the last year, but 4th quarter 09 it has gotten a lot better....
sndsgood wrote:Truth,,,from consequences wrote:sndsgood wrote:Truth,,,from consequences wrote:MMM, careful what you wish for...the scenario you describe would have put far more people out of work, and left far more shareholders without a stake.
No, it was the best path. At times like these, we have to accept that the right path is the one that causes the least damage overall.
yeah but i just hate the fact that the company that screws up and makes the mistake get taken care of scott free while the companies who weren't the problem gettign screwed. makes you want to run out get 20 credit cards, max them all out then ask the goverment to absolve your debts cause you made an oopsy.
Such are the laws regarding bankruptcy. Much like your objection to eminent domain, this is another case where you don't seem to accept that the greater good means that some folks must pay a price. The needs of the many do indeed outweigh the needs of the few...a more natural law cannot be found.
These are laws that are employed to minimize damage and maximize benefit, so they are just and logical. Of course, this excludes abuses of either, but that's another subject altogether.
actually i didnt object to iminent domain. i was on the same side as you.
but as you says the greater good. it wasn't really greater for the companies that got screwed. just for gm. but that doesnt mean you couldnt make the law so that as long as gm stayed in business overtime they would end up having to pay off their debts so that A. gm learns a lesson and B the smaller companies who got screwed get compensated. i completly understand that the many outweight the few. but when you set a standard that punishes the innocent and let the one who is guilty goes free also lets the world know that crime does pay.
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:sndsgood wrote:Truth,,,from consequences wrote:sndsgood wrote:Truth,,,from consequences wrote:MMM, careful what you wish for...the scenario you describe would have put far more people out of work, and left far more shareholders without a stake.
No, it was the best path. At times like these, we have to accept that the right path is the one that causes the least damage overall.
yeah but i just hate the fact that the company that screws up and makes the mistake get taken care of scott free while the companies who weren't the problem gettign screwed. makes you want to run out get 20 credit cards, max them all out then ask the goverment to absolve your debts cause you made an oopsy.
Such are the laws regarding bankruptcy. Much like your objection to eminent domain, this is another case where you don't seem to accept that the greater good means that some folks must pay a price. The needs of the many do indeed outweigh the needs of the few...a more natural law cannot be found.
These are laws that are employed to minimize damage and maximize benefit, so they are just and logical. Of course, this excludes abuses of either, but that's another subject altogether.
actually i didnt object to iminent domain. i was on the same side as you.
but as you says the greater good. it wasn't really greater for the companies that got screwed. just for gm. but that doesnt mean you couldnt make the law so that as long as gm stayed in business overtime they would end up having to pay off their debts so that A. gm learns a lesson and B the smaller companies who got screwed get compensated. i completly understand that the many outweight the few. but when you set a standard that punishes the innocent and let the one who is guilty goes free also lets the world know that crime does pay.
I can also say first hand, that any company that got shorted in '08-'09 is in the proses of getting paid off now. Right or wrong, there doing to now.
How long and how many IDN. but that's the word on Gm global connect.
Chris