I think it's sort of silly.
First, let me explain a few things:
#1 This is not an anti-American thing. I've often defended the United States and to be honest, I like my Southern cousins a lot. That said, if you do something I think is silly I will make fun. This is one of those cases. Having children recite this suspicious sounding mantra strikes me as odd. You guys are used to it, everyone else in the world remembers quite clearly NOT having to do this communistic show of loyalty. This is also why foreign exchange kids look at you funny.
#2 You all do realize that almost no other country IN THE WORLD does this right? No other country demands that it's citizens pledge their loyalty on a semi-weekly basis. Especially not children.
#3 Canada DOES have an "Oath of Loyalty" but it's to the queen and it's a 100% ceremonial thing that people in office, cops, military people do ONCE when they join their respective posts. Not every day, not every week.
#4 You also realize that it was written by a Socialist who believed that the state was more important than the people right? A man who believed in a socialist utopia and who had every reason in the world to want to indoctrinate children into worshipping their country... just as the Russian kids were supposed to the same when the USSR was under Stalin... YOU KNEW THAT RIGHT?
It's just that I love you guys and any time you do something red without realizing, it worries me.
Canada's Oath of Loyalty is also available as an Affirmation of Loyalty.
I took the latter only because at this period in my life, I'm conflicted on how I feel about God.
I don't ascribe it to ceremony, I affirmed in a 10x12 office with my NCO I/C and another co-worker, either way, I take what I said with the utmost solemnity.
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What is the point of this?
I rarely say it, my friends rarely say it, I actually havent said it with a group since 5th grade.
I hardly think a pledge of allegiance is a communistic thing...and I hardly think this is worth even discussing.
On that note, whats the deal with currency? And the post office, man? What gives?
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Jeremy Knox wrote:
#2 You all do realize that almost no other country IN THE WORLD does this right? No other country demands that it's citizens pledge their loyalty on a semi-weekly basis. Especially not children.
They also love soccer, so they're weird.
But seriously, they really are weird.
zero wrote:Jeremy Knox wrote:
#2 You all do realize that almost no other country IN THE WORLD does this right? No other country demands that it's citizens pledge their loyalty on a semi-weekly basis. Especially not children.
They also love soccer, so they're weird. But seriously, they really are weird.
You get no argument here
I never understood the "fun" of watching a guy kick a ball 900 miles from one end of the playing field to the other and then on the verge of collapse and exhaustion try and swat it into a goal 40 feet wide and 20 feet tall AND MISS!!!!!
More info...
The Pledge of Allegiance was written for the popular children's magazine Youth's Companion by socialist author and Baptist minister Francis Bellamy on September 7, 1892. The owners of Youth's Companion were selling flags to schools, and approached Bellamy to write the Pledge for their advertising campaign. It was marketed as a way to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Columbus arriving in the Americas and was first published on the following day.
Bellamy's original Pledge read as follows: I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all., and was seen by some as a call for national unity and wholeness after the divisive Civil War. Bellamy had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity but decided they were too controversial since many people still opposed equal rights for women and African Americans. Bellamy said that the purpose of the pledge was to teach obedience to the state as a virtue.
Note the last few very scary words.
Jeremy Knox wrote:zero wrote:Jeremy Knox wrote:
#2 You all do realize that almost no other country IN THE WORLD does this right? No other country demands that it's citizens pledge their loyalty on a semi-weekly basis. Especially not children.
They also love soccer, so they're weird. But seriously, they really are weird.
You get no argument here I never understood the "fun" of watching a guy kick a ball 900 miles from one end of the playing field to the other and then on the verge of collapse and exhaustion try and swat it into a goal 40 feet wide and 20 feet tall AND MISS!!!!!
As opposed to calling an elliptoid air bladder a ball, and throwing it from one person to another and another, all the while hurling bodies at the one that took receipt of the ball. Or, spending 4.5 hours watching grown men throw a ball at one guy so that he can hit it and hope the others don't catch it before it hits the ground, and if they don't catch it, you run like hell for about 9 seconds at a time...
Sounds PERFECTLY normal to me.
Hell, bulleting an 8oz piece of vulcanized rubber at one guy hoping to get it into a net that he more or less fills while rocketing your own body on the ice at about 45mph and HOPEFULLY not hitting the solid boards.. That sounds uniquely Canadian.
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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Jeremy Knox wrote:zero wrote:Jeremy Knox wrote:
#2 You all do realize that almost no other country IN THE WORLD does this right? No other country demands that it's citizens pledge their loyalty on a semi-weekly basis. Especially not children.
They also love soccer, so they're weird. But seriously, they really are weird.
You get no argument here I never understood the "fun" of watching a guy kick a ball 900 miles from one end of the playing field to the other and then on the verge of collapse and exhaustion try and swat it into a goal 40 feet wide and 20 feet tall AND MISS!!!!!
As opposed to calling an elliptoid air bladder a ball, and throwing it from one person to another and another, all the while hurling bodies at the one that took receipt of the ball. Or, spending 4.5 hours watching grown men throw a ball at one guy so that he can hit it and hope the others don't catch it before it hits the ground, and if they don't catch it, you run like hell for about 9 seconds at a time...
Sounds PERFECTLY normal to me.
Hell, bulleting an 8oz piece of vulcanized rubber at one guy hoping to get it into a net that he more or less fills while rocketing your own body on the ice at about 45mph and HOPEFULLY not hitting the solid boards.. That sounds uniquely Canadian.
First off, it's not a ball, it is a football. Minor difference. Secondly, thats what football WAS... now it is TO and Chad Johnson, over inflated ellipsoidal ego's whine and cry on the sideline. Oh how the mighty sport hath fallen.
90% of the world would disagree with you.
That said, you are stating that fottball is not a ball? Sounds crazy to me.
I like NFL and CFL "football" but let's not pretend that it's played with a certain odd shaped ball... It is a ball..
Stolen straight from Rugby if you ask me.. A much tougher sport by the way.
Nothing beats MotoGP.. And the only balls involved are conceiled, or metaphorical in nature.
As far as the pledge goes. It does seem somewhat odd, but at the same time, I'd like to see some of that nationalism here in Canada. Far too many Canadians are willing to simply forget what this country stands for.
PAX
If you don't want your kid pledging allegiance to the united states, send him to a school that's not state funded.
How about fostering allegiance in real ways, like... oh... not creating conflict, using trust given in constructive ways, not throwing tax money away on useless endeavors and items, taxing corporations like individuals (ie Taxation parity).... You know, real things that show you're a good steward of your post.
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How about Canadians stop telling Americans how to live
Capo di tutti capi wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Jeremy Knox wrote:zero wrote:Jeremy Knox wrote:
#2 You all do realize that almost no other country IN THE WORLD does this right? No other country demands that it's citizens pledge their loyalty on a semi-weekly basis. Especially not children.
They also love soccer, so they're weird. But seriously, they really are weird.
You get no argument here I never understood the "fun" of watching a guy kick a ball 900 miles from one end of the playing field to the other and then on the verge of collapse and exhaustion try and swat it into a goal 40 feet wide and 20 feet tall AND MISS!!!!!
As opposed to calling an elliptoid air bladder a ball, and throwing it from one person to another and another, all the while hurling bodies at the one that took receipt of the ball. Or, spending 4.5 hours watching grown men throw a ball at one guy so that he can hit it and hope the others don't catch it before it hits the ground, and if they don't catch it, you run like hell for about 9 seconds at a time...
Sounds PERFECTLY normal to me.
Hell, bulleting an 8oz piece of vulcanized rubber at one guy hoping to get it into a net that he more or less fills while rocketing your own body on the ice at about 45mph and HOPEFULLY not hitting the solid boards.. That sounds uniquely Canadian.
First off, it's not a ball, it is a football. Minor difference. Secondly, thats what football WAS... now it is TO and Chad Johnson, over inflated ellipsoidal ego's whine and cry on the sideline. Oh how the mighty sport hath fallen.
First off, Football has a WORLD CUP. American Football (*which is wierd, the first game ever played was played between McGill and Harvard University and was descended from Rugby)
Second, it's called a prolate spheroid. No penalty.
Third, obtuse ego's need to be broken down. Put TO in front of his own defensive line, and see how well he scores on his lonesome.
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Rosario wrote:How about Canadians stop telling Americans how to live
The day they stop calling tuques "beanies"
and accept that hockey is the greatest sport known to mankind.
Jeremy Knox wrote:Rosario wrote:How about Canadians stop telling Americans how to live
The day they stop calling tuques "beanies" and accept that hockey is the greatest sport known to mankind.
Now who in there right mind would argue that
first off gam, you are wrong
the first teams to play a derivative of modern football was Rutgers and Princeton
secondly
who cares who wrote the pledge of allegiance, it is what it is, it doesnt detract from anything
thirdly
canadians worry about canada, we americans can worry about america
i know canada doesnt do much, but figure out what it is canada does, and focus on that
1: Let me know the date of that fateful Game, and I'll let you know the REAL date. Google it: First AMERICAN football game: 1874, Harvard vs McGill.
2: I wasn't saying anything about the Pledge in my last post.
Reading is becoming a lost art n'est pas? How about reading and commenting on what was actually said and why a bunch of words recited robotically day after day doesn't really make for any greater allegiance, and why the public has serious trust issues with their Government.
3: What Canadians do is give American's raw material to make goods to sell back to us at ridiculously inflated prices. There are 176 oil provision contracts coming up for renewal in the next ten years. What do you think the US going to do when China starts putting in oil refinaries here, and your oil crunch deepens. 10 years might seem like a long way, but there has been E85 and Bio Diesel technology for 20+ years (Bio-diesel has been around since the beginning of the engine, peanut oil)... took a long damned time to get into vogue.
Americans will continue to get steered into doing what they have been doing since Korea: screw the pooch royally and put their nose in places where it will likely get cut off.
Think change is a bad thing?
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Some friends and I were discussing this earlier in the week due to Rutgers recent success
themarin8r wrote:the first teams to play a derivative of modern football was Rutgers and Princeton
Actually that game was more akin to soccer.
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:1: Let me know the date of that fateful Game, and I'll let you know the REAL date. Google it: First AMERICAN football game: 1874, Harvard vs McGill.
McGill and Harvard played the first rugby derived game of football
Harvard McGill came first
Rule refinements don't mean much...
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Jeremy Knox wrote:Rosario wrote:How about Canadians stop telling Americans how to live
accept that hockey is the greatest sport known to mankind.
I was born and raised in the USA and I knew hockey was the greatest sport since I was 4 years old. Although living in Michigan can almost be considred a sister to Canada, hockey has always been Michigans sport.
It's why in Australia and New Zealand they call it "Gridiron" A better name for it IMHO.
Plus, in hockey, it takes a serious injury for playes to be pilled from the ice. Get a QB, or a basketball player, scare them at Hallowe'en by a kid in a mommy costume, and they're out for the season.
Still, The pledge is communist, and the changes thanks to the Uber-communist McCarthy make it even more illegal.
They should at least skip all the pretense in the schools of America and make them sing, "America, @!#$ yeah!" every morning.
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Rollinredcavi wrote:Jeremy Knox wrote:Rosario wrote:How about Canadians stop telling Americans how to live
accept that hockey is the greatest sport known to mankind.
I was born and raised in the USA and I knew hockey was the greatest sport since I was 4 years old. Although living in Michigan can almost be considred a sister to Canada, hockey has always been Michigans sport.
Hockey is the greatest sport. All other sports make me yawn.
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:1: Let me know the date of that fateful Game, and I'll let you know the REAL date. Google it: First AMERICAN football game: 1874, Harvard vs McGill.
2: I wasn't saying anything about the Pledge in my last post. Reading is becoming a lost art n'est pas? How about reading and commenting on what was actually said and why a bunch of words recited robotically day after day doesn't really make for any greater allegiance, and why the public has serious trust issues with their Government.
3: What Canadians do is give American's raw material to make goods to sell back to us at ridiculously inflated prices. There are 176 oil provision contracts coming up for renewal in the next ten years. What do you think the US going to do when China starts putting in oil refinaries here, and your oil crunch deepens. 10 years might seem like a long way, but there has been E85 and Bio Diesel technology for 20+ years (Bio-diesel has been around since the beginning of the engine, peanut oil)... took a long damned time to get into vogue.
Americans will continue to get steered into doing what they have been doing since Korea: screw the pooch royally and put their nose in places where it will likely get cut off.
Think change is a bad thing?
quoting your precious wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_American_football
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Rutgers v. Princeton, 1869
Rutgers University and Princeton University played a game on November 6, 1869 using a slightly modified version of the rules of Association Football. The Rutgers website provides the following details of the game
It has also been said on tv by commentators several times during the rutgers/louisville game on that thursday night
While it was closer to soccer, it BEGAN the football era, and thusly is the first game
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football
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Rutgers University and Princeton University played a game on November 6, 1869 using a slightly modified version of the rules of Association Football.
And since I'm using the Quote function:
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The Canadian contribution, late 1860s
The first known instances of rugby football in North America were in the 1860s in Canada. In 1864, at Trinity College, Toronto, F. Barlow Cumberland and Frederick A. Bethune devised rules based on the Rugby School game. However, the first game of "rugby" in Canada is generally said to have taken place in Montreal, in 1865, when British Army officers played local civilians. The game gradually gained a following, and the Montreal Football Club was formed in 1868, the first recorded football club in Canada.
Codes based on the Rugby School rules began to be played at other Canadian universities in the late 1860s and these games were the basis of Canadian football.[4]; [5] & [6] They would also prove to have a major influence on American football.
You Americans don't want to acknowledge that us Canucks started 3 of the sports Americans love so much (Football, Basketball, and of course, Hockey)
It's okay. You need Canadians as much as we need you. You give us Brittney Spears, we'll give you Celine Dion.
Cheers!
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