John Wilken wrote:

I don't remember reading about any other guns being tested on protesters, unless you count KSU. This isn't about weapons, it's about making people afraid to protest. The message is clear. If you protest, you'll get zapped with a weapon that they're really not sure what it will do. I bet this will make people think twice before exercising their right to peaceful assembly anywhere near DC.

Yeah um...no

Thats really not what they are doing. The people saying that are the people who dont want these weapons used PERIOD. They are trying to get them to back down from producing such weapons..or using them anyways.

Psssh why not just test them on homeless people, or drifters. Noone will notice there gone

Test them on politicians first... like when they propose a Patriot act III.




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shawn brynelson wrote:Psssh why not just test them on homeless people, or drifters. Noone will notice there gone

Or use it on people who don't know the difference between there/their/they're..




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Rosario wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14806772/

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Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.

Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

“If we’re not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation,” said Wynne. “(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press.”

Im sorry, but you dont test things like this during crowd control situations....

Instead of having the international community mad at us for accidently killing someone in WARTIME, were going to have lawsuits out the ass from people who were injured or killed because of this testing.

Bad idea IMO


Any thoughts?

think hes more or less saying that if we are using them for crowd control in our own country people would be less likely to say were using some kind of new weapon against their innocent civilians etc. i doubt he's literally saying "lets see if it kills our own kind before we go zap people"




and john wilken theres a huge diffrence between a peacefull protest and a riotest situation. ive been caught in a riot before and its something that needs to be controlled quickly or you end up with deaths and mass destruction and looting etc.


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Rosario wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14806772/

Quote:

Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.

Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

“If we’re not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation,” said Wynne. “(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press.”

Im sorry, but you dont test things like this during crowd control situations....

Instead of having the international community mad at us for accidently killing someone in WARTIME, were going to have lawsuits out the ass from people who were injured or killed because of this testing.

Bad idea IMO


Any thoughts?

think hes more or less saying that if we are using them for crowd control in our own country people would be less likely to say were using some kind of new weapon against their innocent civilians etc. i doubt he's literally saying "lets see if it kills our own kind before we go zap people"




and john wilken theres a huge diffrence between a peacefull protest and a riotest situation. ive been caught in a riot before and its something that needs to be controlled quickly or you end up with deaths and mass destruction and looting etc.

Your not joking...Riots are @!#$ unbelivable..

Rosario wrote:[

and john wilken theres a huge diffrence between a peacefull protest and a riotest situation. ive been caught in a riot before and its something that needs to be controlled quickly or you end up with deaths and mass destruction and looting etc.

Your not joking...Riots are @!#$ unbelivable..
The article stated "crowd-control", not "riot". "Crowd control" could be moving a peaceful protest down 5 blocks and around the corner, as was the case when Bush came to Cleveland. Should people exercising their right to peaceful assembly be subjected to testing a weapon that by the military's own admission "may cause questions about the effects"?

Let the weapon designers stand in front of it to show that it's safe and causes no permanent damage.


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I know a "crowd" that is "out of control" - the perfect test crowd...

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I guess we'll have fewer Congress men/women with pacemakers.(which brings up a point about this "non-leathal" weapon)



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Microwave weapons?
non-lethal?

Great idea, until someone with no history of melanoma sues.

Rosario: as someone who's been involved in a Riot as well, I see what you're saying, but, I'm not sure setting phasers to Pop-corn is the answer. Current crowd control methods as well as some sonic weapons seem to be working nicely. If some nut is wearing a tin foil hat, then you're going to not only get a show, but a serious burn victim.

BK3K: I think the populace needs a collective enema, why should congress be any different?




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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Microwave weapons?
non-lethal?

Great idea, until someone with no history of melanoma sues.

Rosario: as someone who's been involved in a Riot as well, I see what you're saying, but, I'm not sure setting phasers to Pop-corn is the answer. Current crowd control methods as well as some sonic weapons seem to be working nicely. If some nut is wearing a tin foil hat, then you're going to not only get a show, but a serious burn victim.

BK3K: I think the populace needs a collective enema, why should congress be any different?

GAM: You realize the whole point of my posting this was saying that I DONT AGREE WITH IT..I just pointed out that there is a big difference between a riot and a peaceful protest.

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The article stated "crowd-control", not "riot". "Crowd control" could be moving a peaceful protest down 5 blocks and around the corner, as was the case when Bush came to Cleveland. Should people exercising their right to peaceful assembly be subjected to testing a weapon that by the military's own admission "may cause questions about the effects"?

Let the weapon designers stand in front of it to show that it's safe and causes no permanent damage.

Um, Crowd Controll Would be needed during a riot. One more time, say it with me, Crowd Controll Is needed During a RIOT.
They dont usually use weapons to move protesters unless force is needed. And well if force is needed then i guess its not a peaceful protest anymore....

John Wilken wrote:

Rosario wrote:[

and john wilken theres a huge diffrence between a peacefull protest and a riotest situation. ive been caught in a riot before and its something that needs to be controlled quickly or you end up with deaths and mass destruction and looting etc.

Your not joking...Riots are @!#$ unbelivable..

The article stated "crowd-control", not "riot". "Crowd control" could be moving a peaceful protest down 5 blocks and around the corner, as was the case when Bush came to Cleveland. Should people exercising their right to peaceful assembly be subjected to testing a weapon that by the military's own admission "may cause questions about the effects"?

Let the weapon designers stand in front of it to show that it's safe and causes no permanent damage.



its just a discrepency of words. you see crowd control as being a peaceful protest. i see crowd control as a crowd that has gotten out of hand that needs attention immedieatly before a riot ensues. the majority of police would not do that to a peacefully protesting crowd because they know the ramifications of attacking a non threatoning group of people.


and its not about TESTING it on civilions really. its about putting it in service to show its safe to people of another country. testing i believe is just the wrong word to use. full testing will be done on the device before it ever sees use on public streets. anything like that goes thru a ton of testing before it is used do to the fact something happening and the city or state or what have you getting their pants sued off. generally on things like that the people who make it will stand in front of it to show it is safe. just like tazers and the one deals that sent the spikes into you that shock you. forgot the name.


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Rosario: I saw it, and I agree with you.

And I'm trade-marking "Set Phasers to Popcorn," "Set Phasers to Frozen Pizza," and "Set Phasers to Baked Potato."




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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Rosario: I saw it, and I agree with you.

And I'm trade-marking "Set Phasers to Popcorn," "Set Phasers to Frozen Pizza," and "Set Phasers to Baked Potato."

Sorry Gam Seemed like you thought i was all for using these on US citizens...and im not..

just as a side note the report said nothing about "TESTING" it stated they should use it first withour own.


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I really want to see what these weapons can do. There should be a big klan rally we could test them out on somewhere.

SpecialKid wrote:I really want to see what these weapons can do. There should be a big klan rally we could test them out on somewhere.

or a political convention...


I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

I think they should test it on the boarder. Mexican/Canadian, you pick.




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