Hunting accident
Vice President Dick Cheney shot someone in the face and chest during a hunting trip.
Vice President Dick Cheney admitted drinking alcohol.
Vice President Dick Cheney didn't have a legal hunting license.
Vice President Dick Cheney will not be charged for anything.
Vice President Dick Cheney had to pay $7 to make his hunting license legal.
Discuss.
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John Wilken
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discuss what, seems you have the facts listed.
RHIP
Someone Assisinate the scumbag pleeeeeeeeeeeeezzz
The only bad thing is that Cheney didn't kill the other guy.
Reverse the roles and you can bet the other guy would have been charged with attempting to assassinate the VP.
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ToBoGgAn wrote:discuss what, seems you have the facts listed.
RHIP
I guess I'm the only one who has a problem with an elected official drinking and shooting someone.
If this would have been a drunken accidental shooting by a nobody, they'd be in jail right now for attempted murder.
He didn't even get a fine for hunting without a license, just a $7 charge for the Texas stamp.
*note to self, If you ever want to shoot someone, become an elected official, drink heavily and go hunting.
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John Wilken
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i agree i lost my hunting liecence for a year because i didnt have a waterfowl stamp. That is complete BS when all he had to do was pay teh 7 bucks to make it legal. He shot someone with out a liecence an also he was drinking. Who drinks then goes and hunts my family drinks after a long day of hunting. Yes he is the VP but that doesnt give him extra rights. I gurantee if that was anyone else in the USA that wasnt a top gov. official that they would be in jail right now.
Thanx Charles
There has always been a double standard and it's BS. "Common sense tells you to drink after the hunt, never before. Alcohol + guns = stupid. If it wasn't for the alcohol I could understand, accidents happen, but either way he should have gotten a greater punishment. I can't wait until "they" are out of office.
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:The only bad thing is that Cheney didn't kill the other guy.
Reverse the roles and you can bet the other guy would have been charged with attempting to assassinate the VP.
Dream on. I have a hard time even thinking you are stupid enough to believe what you wrote. Do you think any DA would try and prove that the shooting was not accidental? That the friend of the VP tried to kill him. Or would you try to prosecute on charges of
"Accidental Attempted Murder"? Good luck with that.
How many on this board have been pulled over for a traffic violation and given a warning? I've been told to find a cab or someone to take me home or I'd be cited for public intoxication. I'm sure some will be pissed because they were actually given the citation instead of a warning.
Here's something else that indicates they aren't receiving special treatment
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While they had Texas hunting licenses, both men were admonished for failing to buy a $7 stamp allowing them to shoot upland game birds. A department spokesman said warnings are being issued in most cases because the stamp requirement only went into effect five months ago and many hunters weren�t aware of it.
A few statistics for you haters to stew on.
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Well said labotomi
Yes, God forbid someone be human and accidently shoot someone while hunting. And for all of you saying he should be arrested for whatever BS charges, you seem to forget that presidents have the power of the pardon.
Adam Asmus wrote:^^^^^
Well said labotomi
Yes, God forbid someone be human and accidently shoot someone while hunting. And for all of you saying he should be arrested for whatever BS charges, you seem to forget that presidents have the power of the pardon.
So you would have no problem if Cheney got drunk, drove his car and crashed into someone else, nearly killing them, instead of getting drunk and shooting someone??
My issue with this is Cheney was drinking and shot someone. If he'd have been sober, then it was just an accident.
John Wilken
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Adam Asmus wrote:^^^^^
Well said labotomi
Yes, God forbid someone be human and accidently shoot someone while hunting. And for all of you saying he should be arrested for whatever BS charges, you seem to forget that presidents have the power of the pardon.
ok so he can rape, beat and kill whoever he wants because will be pardoned. i dont think so. and also, it took them at least a day to report this even happened. . .so why wait so long?? this leadership is full of corruption and BS. its worse than any presidency in the past.
and OK, he got a warning for not having the permit. . thats fair. but he still shot the guy. doin 65 in a 60 and getting a warning is different than doin 65 in a 60 and clipping someone..
Last time i heard the guy was behind Cheney. . .so how do you accidentally shoot someone behind you. or maybe he was on his side, since he got hit on the right side of his body. Cheney is a leader, and therefore must lead by example. if the example is its ok to drink and use a gun then i dont want any body who kills someone while drunk going to jail.
John Wilken wrote:So you would have no problem if Cheney got drunk, drove his car and crashed into someone else, nearly killing them, instead of getting drunk and shooting someone??
My issue with this is Cheney was drinking and shot someone. If he'd have been sober, then it was just an accident.
ShiftyCav wrote:Cheney is a leader, and therefore must lead by example. if the example is its ok to drink and use a gun then i dont want any body who kills someone while drunk going to jail.
What a leap in logic. Try to be somewhat sensical with your argument.
It's a big jump from what has been reported (that the VP had been drinking) to you two implying that he was drunk. And an even bigger jump to think it's a double standard if we prosecute someone who kills while drunk.
it was probably one or two drinks and not pounding back Budweiser tall boys and blasting the cans out of the air. If I'm in an accident after having a beer with dinner, I've been drinking, but it doesn't mean the alcohol had any influence on the accident.
About it not being reported immediately. It was reported to all required agencies. The hospital and law enforcement knew right after it happened. It wasn't required to disclose anything to the press.
Labotomi wrote:It's a big jump from what has been reported (that the VP had been drinking) to you two implying that he was drunk.
There was no blood alcohol test done. If this wasn't the VP there would have been a blood alcohol test. It's easy to assume he was hammered because he accidently shot someone. We'll never know if he had a martini at lunch or if 6 martinis were his lunch.
Labotomi wrote:it was probably one or two drinks and not pounding back Budweiser tall boys and blasting the cans out of the air. If I'm in an accident after having a beer with dinner, I've been drinking, but it doesn't mean the alcohol had any influence on the accident.
? Come on, Labotomi... You're old enough to know that alcohol does effect the human body. I don't know how they run court in AL, but in OH if you're found at fault in an accident and you had alcohol in your system you can actually hear the fines go up as well as the payment to who you hit.
Labotomi wrote:About it not being reported immediately. It was reported to all required agencies. The hospital and law enforcement knew right after it happened. It wasn't required to disclose anything to the press.
They only kept it quiet for 1 day, not a big deal.
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John Wilken
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John Wilken wrote:
It's easy to assume he was hammered because he accidently shot someone.
Really? Nice to know you base your arguments on facts.
one word: tunnel vision
this wouldnt be that big of a deal if it was anyone else... this kinda stuff happens every hunting season. sometimes its aviodable, a lot of times its completely accidental. just because it happened doesnt mean he was drunk.
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all you people calling for some sort of prosecution for Cheney because he shot ?Wellington? make me laugh with a twisted disgust.
i don't think that anyone on this site, except maybe Ratzero, could get away with this without some sort of legal action. but that's life; Rank Has It's Priviledges. you can not like it all you want but that is what society has melded into.
and by the way, where were all you prosecution happy folks when the JBO'er wrecked his car and killed his girl? double standard much? at least Cheney didn't kill him.
I by the way have no care what happened in that thread or with that situation, just using it as a way to prove a point. step back and unravel the panties
Wow, How many of you are hunters. The guy came up and didn't announce himself. Number one rule in hunting when you see other hunters who have any chance of not knowing your there. MAKE YOUR PRESENCE KNOWN! When you put your eyes down the barrel of the gun and follow a bird you see NOTHING else. NOTHING!
And whos to say he was drunk. I haven't questioned that once. They were all rich @!#$ who im sure had a drink with lunch. He wasn't not falling down drunk. Back up your opinions with some real hard facts.
John Wilken they didn't keep it quiet for one day from everyone. They got him taken care of immidetly. They kept the press out of it. Which i see no problem doing. @!#$ the press, they blow everything out of proportion anyways.
Roscoe wrote:And whos to say he was drunk. I haven't questioned that once. They were all rich @!#$ who im sure had a drink with lunch. He wasn't not falling down drunk. Back up your opinions with some real hard facts.
Back up your opinion with hard facts... There was no blood alcohol test given, so there are no hard facts. He could have had 1 drink for lunch or 10. Because he is VP, they didn't make him take any test. IF he really only had 1 drink, he should have volunteered for a test to confirm his level of sobriety at the press conference. By not being tested, it implies that he had something to hide. That's why I believe he had much more alcohol in his system than 1 drink.
Roscoe wrote:John Wilken they didn't keep it quiet for one day from everyone. They got him taken care of immidetly. They kept the press out of it. Which i see no problem doing. @!#$ the press, they blow everything out of proportion anyways.
Maybe I didn't communicate what I meant clearly... I meant that the press was not informed for 1 day. That's what I meant by keeping it quiet for 1 day, not that they didn't do anything at all.
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John Wilken
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And who cares...why did the press need to be informed? So that they could blow it out of porportion before they knew any of the facts.
My opinion is that know ones knows if he was drunk or not...what do i have to back up?
Nice come back though.
All it proves to me is that for Cheny, his partner, and the Ex PM of Slovakia that shot himself in the leg while trying to put his shotgun in his car....
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Labotomi wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:The only bad thing is that Cheney didn't kill the other guy.
Reverse the roles and you can bet the other guy would have been charged with attempting to assassinate the VP.
Dream on. I have a hard time even thinking you are stupid enough to believe what you wrote. Do you think any DA would try and prove that the shooting was not accidental? That the friend of the VP tried to kill him. Or would you try to prosecute on charges of "Accidental Attempted Murder"? Good luck with that.
Cheney was drinking, had a shot gun and fired at a member of his hunting party. Tell me at what point was this "accidental"? Jumping behind the wheel after drinking and plowing into a person at full bore isn't accidental... It's vehicular homicide or AwDW. No one wants to charge him because they're too afraid to hold elected officials up to the same laws the rest of us have to abide.
As I said, and you didn't even try to address: If the guy that got shot did that to Cheney, you'd see attempted assassination cries pop up from everywhere. BTW: Accidental attempted murder is called Negligent Assault causing Bodily Harm for the rest of us not in office.
Now, since you have a hard time believing I'm stupid, I'll adress you with the same deference and find it hard that you missed the SARCASM... I admit, the inflection doesn't carry well into text, but you have to be either blind or foolish to miss it.
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How many on this board have been pulled over for a traffic violation and given a warning? I've been told to find a cab or someone to take me home or I'd be cited for public intoxication. I'm sure some will be pissed because they were actually given the citation instead of a warning.
Discretion in that case is one thing, but no-one got hurt. Cheney actually
SHOT someone. See my previous statement.
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Here's something else that indicates they aren't receiving special treatment
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While they had Texas hunting licenses, both men were admonished for failing to buy a $7 stamp allowing them to shoot upland game birds. A department spokesman said warnings are being issued in most cases because the stamp requirement only went into effect five months ago and many hunters weren�t aware of it.
My goodness, they were
admonished. A quick check of the dictionary states:
admonish:
tr.v.
1. To reprove gently but earnestly.
2. To counsel (another) against something to be avoided; caution.
3. To remind of something forgotten or disregarded, as an obligation or a responsibility.
That was a very harsh and un-preferential treatment indeed. My stars! Imagine if such punishments were used elsewhere!
This is where unless you're utterly as dense as lead, you catch the drift of SARCASM.
Labotomi, you asked if I believed in what I was saying... Believe this:
- Cheney was hunting while (at best) under the influence. Most Game wardens would escort you from the area to your camp for that if you were lucky. I'm not insinuating he was drunk, but that alcohol was imbibed. Using your drinking analogy, Cheney had a few, and ran over someone's feet... they'll live, but he was caught.
- Cheney was hunting without proper licenses, this is usually a fineable offence, it ain't much, but I'm sure a multiple millionaire can shell out a measly $7 for the proper licenses to avoid poaching charges. Either way, there's nothing saying they didn't know about it, and, nothing saying they did, and ignored it.
- Cheney shot someone in the face, throat and chest. Accidental is immaterial, if you or I did that, the word accidental wouldn't matter because it would be NEGLIGENCE clear cut. Transpose what happened there elsewhere in the US (say, Washington DC) and you'd have at the very least a charge of Assault with a deadly weapon, and careless use of a firearm charges.
There is a double standard, and the problem is people let it keep happening. When will it finally dawn on you that elected officials are no better nor worse than you, and that they'll keep pushing to get away with things only as long as you LET THEM.
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- Cheney shot someone in the face, throat and chest. Accidental is immaterial, if you or I did that, the word accidental wouldn't matter because it would be NEGLIGENCE clear cut. Transpose what happened there elsewhere in the US (say, Washington DC) and you'd have at the very least a charge of Assault with a deadly weapon, and careless use of a firearm charges.
GAM i usually agree with you but that is not true.
Hunting, and discharging a firearm in DC are two tottally different things.
It was a hunting accident. This happens, and unfortuenttly alot. The guy didnt @!#$ announce his presenece while coming up on a hunting party. And They werent drinking and hunting, nor did they get plastered and go out, they had drinks for lunch and went hunting hours later.
Quick aside question... Gam brought up that if the accident had been Whittington shooting Cheney there would be "attempted assassination" in the papers.
My question is at exactly what point does murder become assassination? How high on the poitical scale do you have to be? Could a small town school board member be assassinated?
If I was shot dead it would make the newspaper, in the classifieds. It would read
"Husband dead, used Sunfire for sale. Will trade for carpet cleaner that gets blood out of carpet. Also have shotgun for sale, fired twice, I missed the first time."
John Wilken
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John: I was being sarcastic, but I don't know of any defined rule where Murder transmutes into assassination.
And if the price is right, I'll do the blood clean up for your wife.
Roscoe: I understand that hunting accidents happen... however... anytime that it's happend that I've had any involvement in, there's been a charge of some sort laid (investigating I mean). If someone is hurt serverly enough to require immediate and acute medical attention, whomever was holding the weapon is the responsible and culpable party. I understand completely that Wellington didn't announce himself, but that doesn't excuse (on in any case that I've seen, even mitigate) responsibility from Cheney. When it comes down to brass tacks, Cheney had control of the weapon, Cheney was not paying attention to his surroundings, and Cheney discharged the weapon into the body of Wellington, causing him serious injury.
Eliminate their rank in society and tell me how far up @!#$'s creek Cheney'd be without a paddle? I'd like to see something reporting who, in all the hunting accidents reported, was charged with something under a state criminal code, and what the outcome is.
Either way, it's lax safety regulations or lax prosecution of people that break the law while doing something else, but then again, I'm not so foolish as to look for consistency in law enforcement.
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^^^ I should add, Consistency in law enforcement as it relates to elected officials.
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