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GAZA CITY (AP) -- Tens of thousands of angry Muslims marched through Palestinian cities, burning the Danish flag and calling for vengeance Friday against European countries where caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad were published.
Angry protests against the drawings spread in the Muslim world.
In Washington, the State Department criticized the drawings, calling them "offensive to the beliefs of Muslims."
In Iraq, thousands demonstrated after Friday mosque prayers, and the country's leading Shiite cleric denounced the drawings. About 4,500 people rallied in the southern city of Basra and burned the Danish flag.
Muslims in Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia demonstrated against the European nations whose papers published the caricatures, including one depicting the Muslim prophet wearing a turban fashioned into a bomb.
The drawings first appeared in a Danish paper in September but were reprinted this week in papers in Norway, France, Germany and even Jordan after Muslims decried the images as insulting.
Dutch-language newspapers in Belgium and two Italian right-wing papers reprinted the drawings on Friday. The Italian papers also ran editorials criticizing European media for giving in to pressure over the drawings.
Islamic law, based on clerics' interpretation of the Quran and the sayings of the prophet, forbids depiction's of the Prophet Mohammad and other major religious figures -- even positive ones -- to prevent idolatry. Shiite Muslim clerics differ in that they allow images of their greatest saint, Ali, the prophet's son-in-law, though not Mohammad.
Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, in a meeting with Egypt's ambassador, reiterated his stance that the government cannot interfere with issues concerning the press. On Monday, he said his government could not apologize on behalf of a newspaper, but that he personally "never would have depicted Muhammad, Jesus or any other religious character in a way that could offend other people."
While recognizing the importance of freedom of the press and expression, U.S. State Department press officer Janelle Hironimus said these rights must be coupled with press responsibility.
"Inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is not acceptable," Hironimus said. "We call for tolerance and respect for all communities and for their religious beliefs and practices."
Early Friday, Palestinian militants threw a bomb at a French cultural center in Gaza City, and many Palestinians began boycotting European goods, especially those from Denmark.
"Whoever defames our prophet should be executed," said Ismail Hassan, 37, a tailor who marched through the pouring rain along with hundreds of others in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
"Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," protesters in Ramallah chanted.
An imam at the Omari Mosque in Gaza City told 9,000 worshippers that those behind them should have their heads cut off.
"If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon.
About 10,000 demonstrators, including gunmen from the Islamic militant group Hamas firing in the air, marched through Gaza City to the Palestinian legislature, where they climbed on the roof, waving green Hamas banners and chanting "Down, Down Denmark!"
Thousands protested in Nablus and Jenin, burning Danish flags and dairy products.
Fearing violence, Israel barred all Palestinians under age 45 from praying at Jerusalem's Al Aqsa Mosque compound, Islam's third holiest site.
Nevertheless, about 100 men chanting Islamic slogans and carrying a green Hamas flag demonstrated outside Jerusalem's Old City on Friday afternoon. The crowd scattered when police on horseback arrived, and some of the protesters threw rocks.
In Iraq, both Shiite and Sunni preachers spoke out against the drawings during Friday prayers, with many calling for a boycott of Danish goods. In Baghdad's Sunni Arab stronghold of Azamiyah, about 600 protesters outside a mosque burned a Danish flag and boxes of Danish cheese.
The country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, decried the drawings but did not call for protests.
"We strongly denounce and condemn this horrific action," he said in a statement posted on his Web site and dated Tuesday.
Al-Sistani, who wields enormous influence over Iraq's majority Shiites, suggested militant Muslims were partly to blame. He referred to "misguided and oppressive" segments of the Muslim community and said their actions "projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood."
The drawings were first published in September in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. The issue reignited last week after Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador to Denmark and many European newspapers reprinted them this week.
The Jyllands-Posten said it had asked cartoonists to draw images of the prophet "to examine whether people would succumb to self-censorship, as we have seen in other cases when it comes to Muslim issues."
Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying the caricatures are an attack on "our spiritual values," adding they had damaged efforts to establish an alliance between the Muslim world and Europe. Hundreds of Turks emerging from mosques following Friday prayers staged demonstrations, including one in front of the Danish consulate in Istanbul.
In the Indonesian capital Jakarta, more than 150 hardline Muslims stormed a high-rise building housing the Danish Embassy and tore down and burned the country's white and red flag. The government ordered police to upgrade security at embassies across the capital.
Pakistan's parliament unanimously voted to condemn the drawings as a "vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign" that has "hurt the faith and feelings of Muslims all over the world." About 800 people protested in Islamabad, chanting "Death to Denmark" and "Death to France." Another rally in the southern city of Karachi drew 1,200.
Fundamentalist Muslims protested outside the Danish Embassy in Malaysia, chanting "Long live Islam, destroy our enemies."
In Europe, senior British, French and Italian officials criticized the drawings. Austria, which holds the European Union presidency, expressed concern over the escalating crisis.
"I believe that the republication of these cartoons has been unnecessary, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong," British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said.
In London, hundreds of demonstrators converged on Denmark's Embassy and burned the Danish flag. Women wearing headscarves chanted and held banners proclaiming: "Kill the one who insults the Prophet."
seriously does this piss anyone off.
just out of curiosity if their are no photos or pictures how do they know it is him?
I like how its ok for them to get upset about a cartoon picture, but yet they can run around burning the US Flag. also the one of him with a bomb head, how does that make fun of him. i thought they like blowing people up. its the way you get the virgins. Maybe if they didnt have their radical views on the world then people would have a different view on their community
Picture George Dubya getting sodomised by a pig that's covered in crude... Same thing.
Or better yet, Jesus giving fellatio to a Hamas guy with a can of oil in one hand and a pound of bacon in the other, a dynamite belt strapped on, and the caption: "thaaat's it.. just a litttle longer... wwwwwwaaaaaiiiitttt fooorrrr itt...."
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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Picture George Dubya getting sodomised by a pig that's covered in crude... Same thing.
wow you must not know that i hate bush.
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just out of curiosity if their are no photos or pictures how do they know it is him?
Because the papers say that it's him.
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i thought they like blowing people up. its the way you get the virgins.
You are a fool if you believe this. I am muslim and I do not like blowing people up.
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forbids depiction's of the Prophet Mohammad and other major religious figures -- even positive ones -- to prevent idolatry.
Make sure to take note of this part. It is forbidden to depict the Prophet, or Allah, even if it's in a positive sense...
I think it's disrespectful towards Islam to have this reprinted by so many papers all over the world, however there are better way to speak out against it than by angry assault and violence. I am a strong believe in the Gandian ways of protest...
I'd just like to add this, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the U.S. after the 9/11 attacks. The more people learn about it, the more of the stereotypes and misconceptions dissappear and people understand the concept and decide to join. Interesting fact I think.
well you know what?...I'm catholic and I don't get pissy when cartoonists crack on the Pope or on Priests, etc etc. Having an entire group in uproar like that is pretty typical. Sorry, but they just need something else to bitch about over in sandland. Quit burning my flag and i'll put a fuzzy box over your prophet's head. Frankly if you're so uptight that you need to bitch and complain about a cartoon, then you need to go take a walk
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You cannot compare the Qur'an's greatest prophet to a priest.
Would your be pissed if I drew Jesus into a sexual/uncomfortable position and papers worldwide published it?
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Frankly if you're so uptight that you need to bitch and complain about a cartoon, then you need to go take a walk
In some parts of the world, religion is all that people have, you need to look outside of your box of U.S.A. People will find this offensive, just like some people found Kanye West's Rolling Stone cover to be very insulting, (see off topic.)
The burning of a flag by a group of people cannot be compared to something being published and distributed to millions of people all over the world. Islam is the world's second biggest religion, and believe me, not just the people in "sandland" feel uncomfortedand insulted by this...
UpstateNyZ24 wrote:You cannot compare the Qur'an's greatest prophet to a priest.
Would your be pissed if I drew Jesus into a sexual/uncomfortable position and papers worldwide published it?
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Frankly if you're so uptight that you need to bitch and complain about a cartoon, then you need to go take a walk
In some parts of the world, religion is all that people have, you need to look outside of your box of U.S.A. People will find this offensive, just like some people found Kanye West's Rolling Stone cover to be very insulting, (see off topic.)
The burning of a flag by a group of people cannot be compared to something being published and distributed to millions of people all over the world. Islam is the world's second biggest religion, and believe me, not just the people in "sandland" feel uncomfortedand insulted by this...
I think you CAN compare the burning of a nation's flag to something being published and distributed to millions of people all over the world.
that flag that you're talking about stands for freedom of religion and speech. you speak of all these people converting to Islam, and it's because of that flag that they can.
that flag stands for how many millions of people living under it's protection, here and abroad.
that flag stands for thousands upon thousands of people that have died while serving it. if you get upset because of a depiction of a prophet, that's fine. the United States flag is as much as, if not more an important symbol than Mohammed.
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UpstateNyZ24 wrote:
In some parts of the world, religion is all that people have, you need to look outside of your box of U.S.A. People will find this offensive, just like some people found Kanye West's Rolling Stone cover to be very insulting, (see off topic.)
The difference is that we aren't allowed to be offended by what Kanye West did, because we're just Christian. We don't count as much.
Wait a minute,
If everyone on this topic is so religious.... Why don't you guys just forgive the cartoonist that drew it? Or the people that burn the flag I fight for? Isn't that what you guys do? Forgive people for their sins?
zero wrote:UpstateNyZ24 wrote:
In some parts of the world, religion is all that people have, you need to look outside of your box of U.S.A. People will find this offensive, just like some people found Kanye West's Rolling Stone cover to be very insulting, (see off topic.)
The difference is that we aren't allowed to be offended by what Kanye West did, because we're just Christian. We don't count as much.
What is that supposed to mean? Are you implying that I might have something against Christians? I think that I am more civilized and less ignorant than that. I never even implied anything like that.
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the United States flag is as much as, if not more an important symbol than Mohammed.
Well see, that's the kind of thinking that makes people have negative opinions of "cocky, arrogant" Americans. If we just look at the number of people here who see either symbol as something positive in their life, than the American flag is outnumbered by about 5 times by the Islamic Faith...So where do you get the opinion that the symbol of 280 million people is more important than the symbol of 1 billion people? Every nation has it's flag, not every nation has a Prophet.
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If everyone on this topic is so religious.... Why don't you guys just forgive the cartoonist that drew it? Or the people that burn the flag I fight for? Isn't that what you guys do? Forgive people for their sins?
I never said that I was "so religious." I am not a strict follower of the Islamic faith, I have never claimed that I was. I am just telling you some personal opinions from our community here in NY.
The Danish prime minister has today apoligized for these drawings, after more peaceful protests have been waged all over the world. Most, if not all newspapers, have taken these items out of circulation by now anyway.
Question to UpstateNyZ24 - Do muslims beleive that the rules of their religion
have to be followed by non muslims?
"Make sure to take note of this part. It is forbidden to depict the Prophet, or Allah, even if it's in a positive sense..."
Forbidden by muslims? Why would it be forbidden for other religions?
JimmyZ wrote:UpstateNyZ24 wrote:I think it's disrespectful towards Islam to have this reprinted by so many papers all over the world, however there are better way to speak out against it than by angry assault and violence. I am a strong believe in the Gandian ways of protest...
I think it's disrespectful to the rest of the world to live in fear of terrorism. You may be a believer in the Gandhian ways of protest, but a small and very vocal minority of your religion believes in the "high explosive" means of protest. Whether terrorism is caused by religion or vice-versa is a whole separate debate, but when you have a bunch of psychopaths blowing themselves up and running planes in to buildings in the name of their religion, then they kinda leave themselves open for a little mockery.
Disrespectful or not, I say it's well deserved. I know the random terrorist doesn't represent all muslims, but the stockbrokers, receptionists, janitors, phone technicians, waiters, cops and firefighters that died in the World Trade Center didn't represent "all that is evil in the USA" either. What they really need to do is be pissed at the people CAUSING these negative feelings (the terrorists), and not the people who are just talking about it (the cartoon artists).
HOLY TOLEDO! You got it. Why are we forced to go in with force and disrupt other's lives to nab some sumbitch terrorists. You'd think that their own countries would take a little more initiative to rid their land of these people.....but that really doesn't happen now does it?
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You'd think that their own countries would take a little more initiative to rid their land of these people.....but that really doesn't happen now does it?
Well most countries do something to combat this, however it is not as easy as some people might think. Just like the war on drugs, there will be no end to this anytime soon. Don't fear for your life because Bush says that terrorists are out to get you, you probably have a higher chance of being killed by an American than by a terrorist.
Whatever you opinion might be, I think that it's disrespectful to portray any religion's figure or prophet into something that is considered to be wrong by that religion. Whether it be jesus, mohammed or any other religion's figure. In my opinion there is no need to attack each other on that basis.
This is a quote from the "intelligent design" thread. I think it more than applies here.
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Jokr wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Picture George Dubya getting sodomised by a pig that's covered in crude... Same thing.
wow you must not know that i hate bush.
I don't hate Bush (I don't really like him either, but that's a matter of record
), but I don't disrespect him in that way, because lampooning him is one thing, but going to town on Jesus is quite another.
The latter fer-instance is more applicable.
Either way, I think it's people taking themselves too seriously, and a guy that doesn't know where the line is, and why it's a bad idea to cross it.
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I'd just apriciate it if they wouldn't do that kinda stuff. I'd much rather be home with my 8 m/o son and my lovely wife then patching up blown up soldiers and civlians everyday...
They had to know that this was going to happen. You poke a dog with a stick, it's going to get pissed and bite. These people over here are very sensative about their religion, SO LEAVE THEM ALONE. Is it that hard?
I'm glad that not everyone is fanatical like some are over here, but you can't expect the whole world to be as laid back. These people live in dirt. Life is suckin, every day of the week. It's all they got and they don't want it to be messed with. If they had 50" plasma TV's, 2 cars and McDonald's, I bet they would be a little more laid back. They don't though. And this is how people get hurt. Doing stupid @!#$ like that...
Can they say what they want, yeah. Expect something back though. Cause and effect. Should they kill people over their opinions, no. Who honestly thought that "Hey, they will probably get a good chuckle out of this in the Middle East."
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I remember when the towers were destroyed and the Moslems were laughing. Now when some little cartoon comes out they can't take a joke!!
UpstateNyZ24 wrote:zero wrote:UpstateNyZ24 wrote:
In some parts of the world, religion is all that people have, you need to look outside of your box of U.S.A. People will find this offensive, just like some people found Kanye West's Rolling Stone cover to be very insulting, (see off topic.)
The difference is that we aren't allowed to be offended by what Kanye West did, because we're just Christian. We don't count as much.
What is that supposed to mean? Are you implying that I might have something against Christians? I think that I am more civilized and less ignorant than that. I never even implied anything like that.
I didn't mean to imply that you had anything against Christians, I didn' mean that at all. What I meant is that CNN, MSNBC, et al have shown the Rolling Stone cover with second-rate rapper Kanye West on it thinking he's Jesus but they have too much respect of the Muslim people to show the cartoon in question. My question is why doesn't the Christian faith and it's followers deserve the same respect? The same news outlets splashed the cartoon of a service member sitting on a hospital bed with no arms and no legs, doesn't the military deserve the same respect?
First off that's a very distatefull cartoon. Anyone who actually knows the teachings of Mohammed would realize that much like "extreme" christians who think their opressed. What the majority believe or percive as being true is not always the true meaning behind the teachings.
It truly ticks me off when people blame Mohammed for the actions of his followers, they are attacking the wrong person. Rather than try to understand something they know nothing about the confront it with skepticism and egotism.
Terrorism can NEVER be eliminated. A truly great movie about this was recently released "MUNICH". Go watch it, it will open up your eyes a bit more to why terrorism is such a big problem. Much like assasinating a president, there is always someone who will come up and take their place.
The taliban took a religion hostage and have twisted it to their own means, much like most "religious" leaders holding "Jihads". Every time there's a war it's called a Jihad.
The people laughing at the fall of the towers were not all Muslims and it was not the entirety of the muslim nation laughing. I have friends who's families were harmed, after 9/11 just because they looked Muslim.
How you can you say other countries need to defeat terrorism when we can't even stop it in our own. KKK, neo-nazi's, and gangs all known terrorist organizations living in the US today. Except in the US we call it freedom of speech so their protected. Irony is a lovely thing.
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There are a lot of arrogant, and most of all ignorant people in this thread.
Our country is the most corrupt, demoralized, violent, and inhumane in the world. This is what were trying to impose on other countries that resist our form of government, and we can't for the life of us understand why they'd want that.
More people have been killed on the streets of America, by Americans than all acts of terrorism combined.
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These cartoons would'nt be printed if islam was'nt being represented by a bunch of extremist @!#$s who get their jollies by killing "infidels" and being a bunch of all-around @!#$s. If the normal muslims around the world would step up and take the initiative to end all of the hate speech and terror recruiting, maybe we would'nt see all the muslim haters around the world. The whole religion is being misrepresented by way-far-gone extreme parts of it. IMO
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Steve Webb wrote:These cartoons would'nt be printed if islam was'nt being represented by a bunch of extremist @!#$s who get their jollies by killing "infidels" and being a bunch of all-around @!#$s. If the normal muslims around the world would step up and take the initiative to end all of the hate speech and terror recruiting, maybe we would'nt see all the muslim haters around the world. The whole religion is being misrepresented by way-far-gone extreme parts of it. IMO
/\/\ I agree that it's a very few bad apples giving millions of peaceful, normal Muslims a bad rep. It's hard for me to understand how millions can read the koran and find peace, but a very small percentage use it as justification for killing.
Unfortunately it's the people causing death and destruction that make news.
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