In my opinion his legacy will be as one of the stupidest presidents. Crooked administration that always seemed to care more about businesses than people. Forced us into a pointless Iraq war Although Iraq will definitley be better off without SadDamN around.

His legacy will be whatever stupid people want to believe/perceive. Either way I am far more interested in what Obama's legacy will be.



FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!

I think that eventually (once everyone in the country stops hating his guts) he'll be seen as an extremely unlucky president that was wholly unprepared to deal with everything that was thrown at him; and who surrounded himself with an archaic administration that was too slow to handle problems, created solutions that were too sweeping, invasive and generalized, and that was wayyyyyy too removed from the will of the people most of the time.

Wade Jarvis wrote:His legacy will be whatever stupid people want to believe/perceive.

AKA, whatever bullsh!t the Democrats and media say millions of times about him, and everyone repeats as truth, such as the OP's statement about caring only about companies and forcing us into a war.

Wade Jarvis wrote:Either way I am far more interested in what Obama's legacy will be.

It doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do, he will be remembered as being the saviour of the country, blah blah blah. He can do no wrong.
I love how the media was all over Bush during the last innoguration for spending $40 million, but they're saying how great it is that Obama's is so special, and who cares if it costs $150 million, even during the worst economy in decades. It doesn't matter, he's special.

Bush is a lunatic and I'm glad he is out of the office

NOT YET!


Kept the fight off our soil.

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry

his legacy will be 9/11, Iraq and the War on Terror

spoiler wrote:Bush is a lunatic and I'm glad he is out of the office

Congrats on drinking up all the MSM's Kool-Aide

Quiklilcav wrote:

spoiler wrote:Bush is a lunatic and I'm glad he is out of the office

Congrats on drinking up all the MSM's Kool-Aide

Kool aid? sounds like you need to get over your racial problem against black people. I mean, why kool aid? why not orange juice? or Water? or coke? or sprite? you said koolaid because he's black didn't you?

umm, last time i checked Kool-Aid was blue or orange or yellow or pink or w/e color you want. it's about as unracist of a drink you can think of....... lolz


anyways...

here's his farewell speech.... very very well done... READ IT! like now. And yes, it's really freaking long... but it'll be good for you.... (I bolded the important parts...)

Quote:

Thank you. Fellow citizens, for eight years, it has been my honor to serve as your president.

The first decade of this new century has been a period of consequence, a time set apart.

Tonight, with a thankful heart, I have asked for a final opportunity to share some thoughts on the journey we have traveled together and the future of our nation.

Five days from now, the world will witness the vitality of American democracy. In a tradition dating back to our founding, the presidency will pass to a successor chosen by you, the American people. Standing on the steps of the Capitol will be a man whose history reflects the enduring promise of our land.

This is a moment of hope and pride for our whole nation. And I join all Americans in offering best wishes to President-elect Obama, his wife, Michelle, and their two beautiful girls.

Tonight, I am filled with gratitude to Vice President Cheney and members of the administration; to Laura, who brought joy to this house and love to my life; to our wonderful daughters, Barbara and Jenna; to my parents, whose examples have provided strength for a lifetime.

And above all, I thank the American people for the trust you have given me. I thank you for the prayers that have lifted my spirits. And I thank you for the countless acts of courage, generosity and grace that I have witnessed these past eight years.

This evening, my thoughts return to the first night I addressed you from this house, September 11, 2001. That morning, terrorists took nearly 3,000 lives in the worst attack on America since Pearl Harbor.
I remember standing in the rubble of the World Trade Center three days later, surrounded by rescuers who had been working around the clock. I remember talking to brave souls who charged through smoke- filled corridors at the Pentagon and to husbands and wives whose loved ones became heroes aboard Flight 93.

I remember Arlene Howard, who gave me her fallen son's police shield as a reminder of all that was lost. And I still carry his badge.

As the years passed, most Americans were able to return to life much as it had been before 9/11. But I never did. Every morning, I received a briefing on the threats to our nation. And I vowed to do everything in my power to keep us safe.

Over the past seven years, a new Department of Homeland Security has been created. The military, the intelligence community and the FBI have been transformed. Our nation is equipped with new tools to monitor the terrorists' movements, freeze their finances, and break up their plots.

And with strong allies at our side, we have taken the fight to the terrorists and those who support them. Afghanistan has gone from a nation where the Taliban harbored al Qaeda and stoned women in the streets to a young democracy that is fighting terror and encouraging girls to go to school.

Iraq has gone from a brutal dictatorship and a sworn enemy of America to an Arab democracy at the heart of the Middle East and a friend of the United States.

There is legitimate debate about many of these decisions, but there can be little debate about the results. America has gone more than seven years without another terrorist attack on our soil. This is a tribute to those who toil day and night to keep us safe -- law enforcement officers, intelligence analysts, homeland security and diplomatic personnel, and the men and women of the United States armed forces.
Our nation is blessed to have citizens who volunteer to defend us in this time of danger. I have cherished meeting these selfless patriots and their families. And America owes you a debt of gratitude.

And to all our men and women in uniform listening tonight, there has been no higher honor than serving as your commander in chief.

The battles waged by our troops are part of a broader struggle between two dramatically different systems. Under one, a small band of fanatics demands total obedience to an oppressive ideology, condemns women to subservience, and marks unbelievers for murder.
The other system is based on the conviction that freedom is the universal gift of Almighty God and that liberty and justice light the path to peace.

This is the belief that gave birth to our nation. And in the long run, advancing this belief is the only practical way to protect our citizens.

When people live in freedom, they do not willingly choose leaders who pursue campaigns of terror. When people have hope in the future, they will not cede their lives to violence and extremism.

So around the world, America is promoting human liberty, human rights and human dignity. We are standing with dissidents and young democracies, providing AIDS medicine to bring dying patients back to life, and sparing mothers and babies from malaria. And this great republic, born alone in liberty, is leading the world toward a new age when freedom belongs to all nations.

For eight years, we have also strived to expand opportunity and hope here at home. Across our country, students are rising to meet higher standards in public schools. A new Medicare prescription drug benefit is bringing peace of mind to seniors and the disabled. Every taxpayer pays lower income taxes.

The addicted and suffering are finding new hope through faith- based programs. Vulnerable human life is better protected. Funding for our veterans has nearly doubled. America's air, water and lands are measurably cleaner. And the federal bench includes wise new members, like Justice Sam Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts.

When challenges to our prosperity emerged, we rose to meet them. Facing the prospect of a financial collapse, we took decisive measures to safeguard our economy. These are very tough times for hardworking families, but the toll would be far worse if we had not acted.

All Americans are in this together. And together, with determination and hard work, we will restore our economy to the path of growth. We will show the world once again the resilience of America's free enterprise system.

Like all who have held this office before me, I have experienced setbacks and there are things I would do differently, if given the chance.

Yet, I've always acted with the best interests of our country in mind. I have followed my conscience and done what I thought was right. You may not agree with some tough decisions I have made, but I hope you can agree that I was willing to make the tough decisions. Watch more of speech: "I have followed by conscience" »

The decades ahead will bring more hard choices for our country, and there are some guiding principles that should shape our course.

While our nation is safer than it was seven years ago, the gravest threat to our people remains another terrorist attack. Our enemies are patient and determined to strike again.

America did nothing to seek or deserve this conflict. But we have been given solemn responsibilities, and we must meet them. We must resist complacency. We must keep our resolve. And we must never let down our guard.

At the same time, we just continue to engage the world with confidence and clear purpose. In the face of threats from abroad, it can be tempting to seek comfort by turning inward. But we must reject isolationism and its companion, protectionism.

Retreating behind our borders would only invite danger. In the 21st century, security and prosperity at home depend on the expansion of liberty abroad. If America does not lead the cause of freedom, that cause will not be led.

As we address these challenges, and others we cannot foresee tonight, America must maintain our moral clarity.

I have often spoken to you about good and evil, and this has made some uncomfortable. But good and evil are present in this world and between the two, there can be no compromise. Murdering the innocent to advance an ideology is wrong every time, everywhere.

Freeing people from oppression and despair is eternally right. This nation must continue to speak out for justice and truth. We must always be willing to act in their defense and to advance the cause of peace.

President Thomas Jefferson once wrote, "I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past." As I leave the house he occupied two centuries ago, I share that optimism.

America is a young country, full of vitality, constantly growing and renewing itself. And even in the toughest times, we lift our eyes to the broad horizon ahead.

I have confidence in the promise of America because I know the character of our people. This is a nation that inspires immigrants to risk everything for the dream of freedom.

This is a nation where citizens show calm in times of danger and compassion in the face of suffering. We see examples of America's character all around us, and Laura and I have invited some of them to join us in the White House this evening.

We see America's character in Dr. Tony Recasner, a principal who opened a new charter school from the ruins of Hurricane Katrina. We see it in Julio Medina, a former inmate who leads a faith-based program to help prisoners returning to society. We see it in Staff Sgt. Aubrey McDade, who charged into an ambush in Iraq and rescued three of his fellow Marines.

We see America's character in Bill Krissoff, a surgeon from California. His son Nathan, a Marine, gave his life in Iraq. When I met Dr. Krissoff and his family, he delivered some surprising news. He told me he wanted to join the Navy Medical Corps in honor of his son.

This good man was 60 years old, 18 years above the age limit. But his petition for a waiver was granted, and for the past year he has trained in battlefield medicine.

Lt. Cmdr. Krissoff could not be here tonight, because he will soon deploy to Iraq, where he will help save America's wounded warriors and uphold the legacy of his fallen son.

In citizens like these we see the best of our country, resilient and hopeful, caring and strong. These virtues give me an unshakable faith in America. We have faced danger and trial, and there is more ahead.

But with the courage of our people and confidence in our ideals, this great nation will never tire, never falter and never fail.

It has been the privilege of a lifetime to serve as your president. There have been good days and tough days. But every day, I have been inspired by the greatness of our country and uplifted by the goodness of our people.

I have been blessed to represent this nation we love. And I will always be honored to carry a title that means more to me than any Other -- citizen of the United States of America.

And so, my fellow Americans, for the final time, good night. May God bless this house and our next president. And may God bless you and our wonderful country

Yeah that's right... the whole thing is important.

wow... a lot less bush haters than i thought lol

i think his legacy will be iraq and 9/11. i am interested to see what obama does in office though, i definitely am not a fan, but we're going to need a good leader to get out of this economic mess were in.



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I hate Bush, I have before it was the "in thing" to do, and it has nothing to do with the MSM, I don't even watch that nonsense.

Its because I pay attention. He hasn't had respect for the constitution since day one. There are so many things I could list. But that would really be beating a dead horse, between the fact that it has been done so many times before and the fact that his term has only days left, its really unnecessary to go into all the details IMO (and there are TONS of details LOL ).

However you all need to loose the notions that hating Bush has anything to do with being a Liberal or watching too much of the MSM, neither of those describe me. Hell, most Conservatives I know(in real life) now-a-days tend to bash GWB themselves, after defending the un-defend-able for so many years they have mostly come around about him.

Hearing Republican's try to defend GWB is kinda like hearing Democrats defend LBJ - its delusional, self serving, and most of all its sad...

The fact is, the Republican party - under GWB's leadership(with most Conservatives blindly following suit) - haven't adhered to most traditional Conservative values nor policies for many years. Ron Paul is one of the VERY FEW who have, and there is no comparison beyond the name of the party they both claim to belong too. Anyone - from any political affliction - who doesn't see that GWB just plain sucked out loud, they simply aren't paying attention or have been covering their ears while shouting "I can't hear your DIRTY LIBERAL LIES!" etc.

Wake up - because the future of the Republican party, if it is to have a future, is to move yourselves as far away from GWB and his policies, and back toward your roots in traditional Conservative thinking. You may be weary of Liberals, but you should be more weary of men who call themselves Conservatives who speak the speak while slowing corrupting your own message. The enemy from within can do far more damage, while you call him your friend.

I think alot of you are scared to admit that "your guy" was @!#$, when you ought to admit he was @!#$, and at the same time realize he was never "your guy" to begin with. Instead of living in denial, you need to grow some balls and stop worrying if "the enemy" gets to say "I told you so" about one guy - its not like GWB is the only Republican on the planet nor the best the party has to offer by a long shot. Move on and adapt. Do better with the next guy. But first things first, you need to rebuild your party from the ground up.

A man who sold his soul for for a commodity.
A man who didn't care about politics nor America, but acted as a puppet for big oil.

Some say this was the furthest from truth. Sadam Husein out Haliburton in. Yep... mission accomplished indeed.


Our President.




THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.

As someone that did not get impeached..


Snap that be billyboy's now wouldn't it?

Chris





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"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry

I think that those who can't admit to themselves that Bush wasn't too great a president are as deluded as those who can't admit that Obama will do absolutely nothing to improve the country. In fact, I don't see much difference between the two at all. They're both just professional politicians.

Quote:

They're both just professional politicians.

End of argument right there.

I never liked Bush from day one. How are you arguring the same crap we have been arguing about for the past 8 eight years.

You want to know what my option is on his legacy- ask me in ten years when he has one. Ask once he has another president or two cleanup/fix/ or continue what he started.

Whats the point of going round and round and round when the guy still hasn't even left office yet!!

Quiklilcav wrote:

spoiler wrote:Bush is a lunatic and I'm glad he is out of the office

Congrats on drinking up all the MSM's Kool-Aide

Funny thing is, you are just as blind as he is, only comming from the other side.

KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:
and I'm NOT a pedo. everyone knows i've got a wheelchair fetish.

Too soon to tell, it will likley take a few years, especially when people that actually lived his predidency have long been devoured by bacteria.

I seriously doubt, though he would be heralded as one of the greatest. Let's face it, he wasn't. No shame in that, We can't all be Washington.

I think it would be seriously, anywhere between somwehere above Andrew Johnson and Richard Nixon, but definitly below his Father--if not by much.

I think, though, his administration, and much of this is not on Bush but on the population at the time, the following will be part of the Legacy of the Early 2000's:

The government for that era resomds to national crises (sp?) in the completely wrong way.
The people of that era allow the government to trample their rights for the illusion of security.
The first glimpse to history that the U.S. is not a full-blown democratic republy, but rather it's a front for what can be only called a corporate financial oligarchy.

Of course, being the president a lot of that will be laid at his feet, and yes, he's partially to blame, but the problem IMHO is the people that allowed it to happen.

I think though, he might be remembered as similar to Herbert Hoover. While you can't blame the depression on Hoover, he's regularly blamed for it and is usually described as "out of touch with the common folk" and "lack of charisma".

The thing is, I think that will be dependent on Obama's regime in his first, and maybe only 4 years. If Obama, like his nutswingers predict, is basically another FDR, and the economy gets fixed under his regime (whether by his influnece or not), yep, Bush's legacy will go down the toilet. However, if Obama tanks, it's likley he'd be the Hoover.

However, like I said, let's wait until their regimes are more memory.


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Harrington Esquire wrote:

Quiklilcav wrote:

spoiler wrote:Bush is a lunatic and I'm glad he is out of the office

Congrats on drinking up all the MSM's Kool-Aide

Funny thing is, you are just as blind as he is, only comming from the other side.

Good try, but no.

I have never said Bush was anything great. However, he is not what the MSM makes him out to be.
The vast majority of the country, including the people with the most information, and the UN, had evidence that Saddam possessed all of the components to make WMD's. He was refusing to cooperate, was obviously moving materials just in time for the UN investigative teams to come in (sounds like we had a bad security leak there, huh?). I still 100% agree with the decision to go into Iraq. Do I think it was executed properly? No. Do I believe we should have moved off of Afganistan when we did? No.

I 100% support the tax cuts that Bush made in the early part of the decade, that got an economy up and running again after the major losses it took in the months following 9/11. And anyone who thinks our economy would have held on through 2004 under Gore is insane. Had Clinton been at the helm post 9/11, we would be living in a horribly different world than we do now.

That being said, the last 4 years have been nothing but Bush trying to get his popularity back by caving in and being soft on his convictions. I am very dissapointed in his second term. Not because of all the evils the left would like you to believe, but because he kept trying to make the left happy, which was never going to happen. The MSM has been out to crucify him since 1.20.01. The only reason he lost the support of people in his own party is because he became soft.

Now, the incoming administration is going to be a joke. I was probably one of the first people on election night to tell people to stop bickering over the campaigns, and that it was time to get behind who was elected, but over the past 6 weeks, he has already gone back on his campaign statements, started backpedaling on his promises (promise the world during the campaign season, then as soon as you get the job, start telling people you aren't sure if you can do what you said. Bait and switch people.), and filling his cabinet with the Clinton people (some change, huh?) and criminals. Good that everyone believes Geithner made a simple mistake in not paying or filing taxes to the tune of around $35K. Either way you believe it to have happened, what the f&#k, people? Either he's a crook and a liar, or he's a f#&king idiot, but both are reasons that he shouldn't be in charge of anything, let alone the US Treasury. But Obama looked into it and he says it's OK, so it must be OK, right?

You and Goodwrench continue to use the argument that anyone who opposes you is blind or stupid, but you simply can't ignore fact. I will state facts, and you will tell me I'm simply blind. As long as that helps you sleep at night, more power to you.

For anyone else, compare the arguments of both sides, and then look up facts on your own. There is simply no comparison. We are in for 4 terribly messy years, and everyone is just watching it happen, thinking about how wonderful it is that Obama is going to be in the Whitehouse.

Quiklilcav wrote:

Harrington Esquire wrote:

Quiklilcav wrote:

spoiler wrote:Bush is a lunatic and I'm glad he is out of the office

Congrats on drinking up all the MSM's Kool-Aide

Funny thing is, you are just as blind as he is, only comming from the other side.

Had Clinton been at the helm post 9/11, we would be living in a horribly different world than we do now.

What? I think anyone can do a better than Bush IMO

spoiler wrote:What? I think anyone can do a better than Bush in the MSM's opinion which I repeat as if it's mine and the most important one.

Fixed, and big bold letters don't make you right.

and you repeat everything rush limbaugh says, and what neal boortz says, and what sean hannity says, and what Mark levin says, and lets not forget FOX News

Blue letters do not make your right either

and also, please stop adding little comments to everything I say because that gets old.

My posts are always blue, and have been that way for years, dumbass. LOL. It has nothing to do with me throwing an attitude around, as does your large print and bold lettering. Did I say anything about red?

And the funny thing about you saying I repeat everything those guys say is that I listen to one of them, occasionally. Three out of four I have never, ever, listened to, so how am I repeating it? During the entire election season, I never listened to any talk show hosts, I researched information myself, listened to what the candidates said, and made my own mind up.

What you people can't get through your head is that when people do this, and really look at the facts, they tend to come up with the same conclusions. I find it hilarous that I'm constantly accused of repeating something, because someone else heard it on some show, when in fact I simply came to the same conclusion. And I don't watch Fox News, so I guess you failed again.

But keep going. This is amusing.

Knoxfire wrote:I think that those who can't admit to themselves that Bush wasn't too great a president are as deluded as those who can't admit that Obama will do absolutely nothing to improve the country. In fact, I don't see much difference between the two at all. They're both just professional politicians.

(This is in a joking state of mind, don't get mad)



Really!

Man some people cant see differences in them when its as easy as black and white.




LoL


Professional politics...

ya.


Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry