Bad Ace Design wrote:Bush to Veto Bill Banning Waterboarding
President Bush delivers a statement on the economy, Friday, March 7, 2008, a...
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WASHINGTON — The White House says President Bush will veto legislation on Saturday that would have barred the CIA from using waterboarding — a technique that simulates drowning — and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.
Bush has said the bill would harm the government's ability to prevent future attacks. Supporters of the legislation argue that it preserves the United States' right to collect critical intelligence while boosting the country's moral standing abroad.
"The bill would take away one of the most valuable tools on the war on terror, the CIA program to detain and question key terrorist leaders and operatives," deputy White House press secretary Tony Fratto said Friday.
The bill would restrict the CIA to using only the 19 interrogation techniques listed in the Army field manual.
The legislation would bar the CIA from using waterboarding, sensory deprivation or other coercive methods to break a prisoner who refuses to answer questions. Those practices were banned by the military in 2006, but the president wants the harsh interrogation methods to be a part of the CIA's toolbox.
Backers of the legislation, which cleared the House in December and won Senate approval last month, say the interrogation methods used by the military are sufficient.
"President Bush's veto will be one of the most shameful acts of his presidency," Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said in a statement Friday. "Unless Congress overrides the veto, it will go down in history as a flagrant insult to the rule of law and a serious stain on the good name of America in the eyes of the world."
He noted that the Army field manual contends that harsh interrogation is a "poor technique that yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say what he thinks the (interrogator) wants to hear."
aside from the bold being true @!#$ it let the spooks do what they gotta do there.
Sen. Kennedy needs another drink, when he and his kin are ustanding law abiding members of society, he can then change out a dollar and throw his 2 cents in.
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ToBoGgAn wrote:owned by my own stupidity
Bad Ace Design wrote:Bush to Veto Bill Banning Waterboarding
President Bush delivers a statement on the economy, Friday, March 7, 2008, a...
2 hours ago
WASHINGTON — The White House says President Bush will veto legislation on Saturday that would have barred the CIA from using waterboarding — a technique that simulates drowning — and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.
Bush has said the bill would harm the government's ability to prevent future attacks. Supporters of the legislation argue that it preserves the United States' right to collect critical intelligence while boosting the country's moral standing abroad.
"The bill would take away one of the most valuable tools on the war on terror, the CIA program to detain and question key terrorist leaders and operatives," deputy White House press secretary Tony Fratto said Friday.
The bill would restrict the CIA to using only the 19 interrogation techniques listed in the Army field manual.
The legislation would bar the CIA from using waterboarding, sensory deprivation or other coercive methods to break a prisoner who refuses to answer questions. Those practices were banned by the military in 2006, but the president wants the harsh interrogation methods to be a part of the CIA's toolbox.
Backers of the legislation, which cleared the House in December and won Senate approval last month, say the interrogation methods used by the military are sufficient.
"President Bush's veto will be one of the most shameful acts of his presidency," Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said in a statement Friday. "Unless Congress overrides the veto, it will go down in history as a flagrant insult to the rule of law and a serious stain on the good name of America in the eyes of the world."
He noted that the Army field manual contends that harsh interrogation is a "poor technique that yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say what he thinks the (interrogator) wants to hear."
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ToBoGgAn wrote:aside from the bold being true @!#$ it let the spooks do what they gotta do there.
Sen. Kennedy needs another drink, when he and his kin are ustanding law abiding members of society, he can then change out a dollar and throw his 2 cents in.
...Discuss
ScottaWhite wrote:Our own soldiers don't get all of those rights, much less some yammering arab terrorist. Prison ships in international waters are our best friends...
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ScottaWhite wrote:....above us only sky....
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wysiwyg wrote:i would say they bang, they don't really pound so much. but if
you want to bump, then they will bump and hit real hard and a lot good.
Whatever wrote:Scaring the people into submission. What a joke.. Bush is such a tool.Do you have a better idea?
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Do you have a better idea?
I'm sure they asked politely before they went to the waterboarding.
Gameoverracing. wrote:Quote:
Do you have a better idea?
I'm sure they asked politely before they went to the waterboarding.
There is no better idea. Waterboarding is a hell of allot better than some other interrogation techniques. Are you telling me allied soldiers who are taken prisoner arnt tortured by worse means? How about " ill cut off your head in the town square if you dont tell me what I want to hear" Is that better?
News flash: NO ENEMY IN THE WAR ON TERROR IS FOLLOWING THE GENEVA CONVENTION OR ANY OTHER CONVENTION ON TORTURE.
Im not saying waterboarding isnt torture but its effective and more humain than forms of torture used on the other side.
Gameoverracing. wrote:Quote:
Do you have a better idea?
I'm sure they asked politely before they went to the waterboarding.
There is no better idea. Waterboarding is a hell of allot better than some other interrogation techniques. Are you telling me allied soldiers who are taken prisoner arnt tortured by worse means? How about " ill cut off your head in the town square if you dont tell me what I want to hear" Is that better?
News flash: NO ENEMY IN THE WAR ON TERROR IS FOLLOWING THE GENEVA CONVENTION OR ANY OTHER CONVENTION ON TORTURE.
Im not saying waterboarding isnt torture but its effective and more humain than forms of torture used on the other side.
Gameoverracing. wrote:Quote:
Do you have a better idea?
I'm sure they asked politely before they went to the waterboarding.
There is no better idea. Waterboarding is a hell of allot better than some other interrogation techniques. Are you telling me allied soldiers who are taken prisoner arnt tortured by worse means? How about " ill cut off your head in the town square if you dont tell me what I want to hear" Is that better?
News flash: NO ENEMY IN THE WAR ON TERROR IS FOLLOWING THE GENEVA CONVENTION OR ANY OTHER CONVENTION ON TORTURE.
Im not saying waterboarding isnt torture but its effective and more humain than forms of torture used on the other side.
wysiwyg wrote:i would say they bang, they don't really pound so much. but if
you want to bump, then they will bump and hit real hard and a lot good.
ScottaWhite wrote:It does make us different. Example. The terrorists say "we'll cut your head off in town square if you don't tell us what we want to hear"
We say "We're going to pour water down your throat until you start to drown, then we'll stop long enough for you to choke it up, then we'll do it again, but you wont die, just suffer...and live happily ever after, providing you tell us where your Jihadist brother is that is making those IED's."
That's a big difference in logic. We don't stoop quite to their level, but we come close. And that is the difference.