personally i believe that the death penalty is a good alternative to people sitting in jail soaking up our tax dollars for 3 meals a day and a warm place to sleep for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
any other people have a view on this?
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Re: Death Penalty Or Not??
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
i say if there is indisputable proof of a capital offense such as murder or rape, then let the @!#$ burn. no remorse, no reply.
I think the maximum penalty for any crime shouldn't exceed more than 5 years. That way if someone murders one of my loved ones I'll have plenty of time to plan an adequate revenge while they're in jail. Then, when they're released I can have them taken out of their homes and then spend the next few months slowly skinning them alive and letting ants loose on their bloody flayed flesh. Natural justice. The best there is.
Also, even if I am ever caught, I'd only have 5 years to do. No big deal.
So no, I don't agree with the death penalty, but not out of some fruity pacifist ideal. It's because I don't believe that the government should do my wet work for me.
(tabs) wrote:i say if there is indisputable proof of a capital offense such as murder or rape, then let the @!#$ burn. no remorse, no reply.
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Sometimes I think they should be treated exactly how they treated their victim as well. But realistically ^^^
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The way I see it, yes they should go rid of it, for 2 reasons.
1 - From beginning to end the total cost of executing a prisoner is MORE then it would cost for life in prision. Keeping them alive is cheaper, which means less wasted tax dollars.
2 - If it was me who did the crime, I would rather get put to death then spend everyday of the rest of my life in a cell. Sitting there rotting waiting for death to come seems liek more a punishment then a quick easy, relatively painless way out.
like most things that involve government spending, the cost of executing a prison could be severely decreased. do away with the 50 appeals they get, for starters. although to be honest, i just cant even begin to imagine how or why it would cost more for an execution than to imprison someone for life. lets do some math:
the average age of a death row inmate, at conviction, is 27. life in prison would be approximately 50 years. it takes 40k a year to house, feed, and care for a prisoner (and an average of 70,000 per year when inmates become ill or enters old age--generally considered anything over 60). but for our calculations we will use the base rate of 50 * 40,000 = 2,000,000. yes, two million dollars. and that is not adjusted for inflation (or the increased cost of older prisoners) over the next 50 years. if you factored those in, the real cost would be astronomical.
now if you were to take that person at age 27, the average amount of time spent on death row is 13 years. so 13 * 40,000 = 520,000. take that from the 2,000,000 and you have a difference of 1,480,000. so that means for the death penalty to be more expensive it would have to cost over 1.5 million dollars per person. again, this is pre-inflation. i cannot even begin to imagine how a single death could run that much, even with the way our government spends.
and FYI....these numbers were taken from my intro to corrections criminal justice class that i took this past summer. im sure i can get the name/edition/isbn# for anyone who cares to look it up.
from a business stand point it is simple: incur a one time expense even if it is initially more expensive than the alternative. over time the increased costs and inflation will keep accruing and you will end up with a number many, many times higher than that initial expenditure.
and sure, it can be argued that life in prison might be a worse punishment than the sweet release of death. but the death penalty serves one more function, and an important one in my opinion. it helps give the victim's family and friends a sense of closure and finality. it helps them move on by allowing them to feel like justice was served.
No death penalty, no jail time. Just a plane ticket to our own "siberia" like russia use to do(i dunno if they still do). Let them live freely with the other hardcore cons, j\but just make sure its sooo remote the there isnt a way for them to make it back to main population. The only problem i think there is, is that we dont have a place like that. hmmmm Thats just my idea.
Tinkles wrote:No death penalty, no jail time. Just a plane ticket to our own "siberia" like russia use to do(i dunno if they still do). Let them live freely with the other hardcore cons, j\but just make sure its sooo remote the there isnt a way for them to make it back to main population. The only problem i think there is, is that we dont have a place like that. hmmmm Thats just my idea.
Antarctica. No nation owns Antarctica, so who will complain if we drop a few people off? We won't call it the death penalty, just call it the new season of "Survivor."
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
(tabs) wrote:like most things that involve government spending, the cost of executing a prison could be severely decreased. do away with the 50 appeals they get, for starters. although to be honest, i just cant even begin to imagine how or why it would cost more for an execution than to imprison someone for life. lets do some math:
the average age of a death row inmate, at conviction, is 27. life in prison would be approximately 50 years. it takes 40k a year to house, feed, and care for a prisoner (and an average of 70,000 per year when inmates become ill or enters old age--generally considered anything over 60). but for our calculations we will use the base rate of 50 * 40,000 = 2,000,000. yes, two million dollars. and that is not adjusted for inflation (or the increased cost of older prisoners) over the next 50 years. if you factored those in, the real cost would be astronomical.
now if you were to take that person at age 27, the average amount of time spent on death row is 13 years. so 13 * 40,000 = 520,000. take that from the 2,000,000 and you have a difference of 1,480,000. so that means for the death penalty to be more expensive it would have to cost over 1.5 million dollars per person. again, this is pre-inflation. i cannot even begin to imagine how a single death could run that much, even with the way our government spends.
and FYI....these numbers were taken from my intro to corrections criminal justice class that i took this past summer. im sure i can get the name/edition/isbn# for anyone who cares to look it up.
from a business stand point it is simple: incur a one time expense even if it is initially more expensive than the alternative. over time the increased costs and inflation will keep accruing and you will end up with a number many, many times higher than that initial expenditure.
and sure, it can be argued that life in prison might be a worse punishment than the sweet release of death. but the death penalty serves one more function, and an important one in my opinion. it helps give the victim's family and friends a sense of closure and finality. it helps them move on by allowing them to feel like justice was served.
where the hell do you get it would cost them 40k a year to house one friggin inmate?
that is more than people that run regular lives make in a year, and inmates dont own houses or cars!
i think you got some numbers mixed up........
Darkstars wrote:The way I see it, yes they should go rid of it, for 2 reasons.
1 - From beginning to end the total cost of executing a prisoner is MORE then it would cost for life in prision. Keeping them alive is cheaper, which means less wasted tax dollars.
2 - If it was me who did the crime, I would rather get put to death then spend everyday of the rest of my life in a cell. Sitting there rotting waiting for death to come seems liek more a punishment then a quick easy, relatively painless way out.
i agree with Darkstars, mostly because of 2, number 1 is a bonus to the state
If you get life with no parole, its like living a life with no reason, dream, and/or purpose
your life is now @!#$, it is basically deemed useless, and you have nothing to live for
making you live a life like that is THE worst punishment
At that point, death is an escape, its a release from this world and your imprisonment, it is, in essence, freedom
id rather someone suffer through a dull, purposeless life than be given the mercy of death
If they want to die so bad, then they can kill themselves.
Tracer Bullet wrote:where the hell do you get it would cost them 40k a year to house one friggin inmate?
that is more than people that run regular lives make in a year, and inmates dont own houses or cars!
i think you got some numbers mixed up........
(tabs) wrote:and FYI....these numbers were taken from my intro to corrections criminal justice class that i took this past summer. im sure i can get the name/edition/isbn# for anyone who cares to look it up.
i also thought that was a high number at first, but i mean when you think about it i guess i can see how it could get to be expensive. for starters the government pays top dollar for most everything. then you have the cost of the prison itself and everything that goes with it divided between a few thousand prisoners. that includes hundreds of employees from security to administration (with contractors somewhere in there too), high security, health care (which is better than most regular people have), 3 meals a day for each prisoner, electricity and water that runs 24/7, etc. and in any large system like this there will be a high level of waste. all of that factors into the final number and it really does add up quickly.
Darkstars wrote:The way I see it, yes they should go rid of it, for 2 reasons.
1 - From beginning to end the total cost of executing a prisoner is MORE then it would cost for life in prision. Keeping them alive is cheaper, which means less wasted tax dollars.
2 - If it was me who did the crime, I would rather get put to death then spend everyday of the rest of my life in a cell. Sitting there rotting waiting for death to come seems liek more a punishment then a quick easy, relatively painless way out.
see thats where they need to "overhaul" the system. theres BS in the system and we all know it.
it costs about 30$ street price to buy a gun in the streets. something that will just get the job done close range. any junkie will pull the trigger for a bottle of jack. theres no reason why death should cost more than "maintainence".
its a really sick way of looking at it, but the lass that went hiking a few weeks ago they just found today... that 60+ year old guy, should be nixxed. asap. and it shouldnt cost millions to do it.
torture is easy to do as well before killing.
the problem still remains is that too many people in america are so saddened when someone is killed, but the killer gets treated to a warm home, hot meals, daily showers and exercise. if they play their cards right, they get sex too.
the difference between #2 of your post of it being you or them..... you actually look at what you have now and what you have to lose. no internet, working on cars, JBO, porn, whatever...... they on the other hand usually dont give a shhhhhh. not to mention, many come from far crappier lives than you do.
and people actually sit around, and spend hours wondering, how people who kill others, do 25 years of time, get out, and kill someone else.....and they wonder, "why did he do it again".....or "why did this have to happen" it wouldnt have if you took care of the problem the first round. there wouldnt be a need for as many jails, some criminals would actually have more respect for the prison system and not use it as a crutch. right now as it stands, prison for many is like food stamps... its simply a crutch to get you by for a few years. especially if you are down on your luck. even movie stars and the paris hiltons are starting to use it to spike publicity.
If someone has shown that they are committed to a life of crime, @!#$ em, a bullet is an economical mechanism to halt their lifestyle.
Phil Lacio: Alias RatZero wrote:If someone has shown that they are committed to a life of crime, @!#$ em, a bullet is an economical mechanism to halt their lifestyle.
+1
a $1 bullet in the skull makes more sense than the cost to inject or fry
NO, absolutely not. The above reasons plus two words.
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I think that the death penalty should be carried out. but it needs to be done faster. why should there be a 15 year or more wait just to die. I know its cruel and all but they get what they give. when i was 14 i robbed a 7-11 at gun point and i got 8 years i served 5 years and 5 months out of the 8. but i changed and got my crap together. but some people do change. but $40,000 a year thats crazy. where i was at it was about $40.00 a day per head. but if there was not crimes then most people would not have jobs. so in the long run crimes do pay off.
stephen steele wrote:when i was 14 i robbed a 7-11 at gun point and i got 8 years i served 5 years and 5 months out of the 8.
im not gonna rag on you or anything.....but are you for real? got any proof? i mean it doesnt matter.....im just curious
yes its for real. worst part of my life you can ask R3D05LsSport he knows. but yeah that was a bad time in my life. but im glad i got caught and did my time. im doing way better now then if i did not get into trouble.
they actually sent you up at the age of 14? or are we talking juvie. not to downplay juvie, but i gotta imagine its 100x better than federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison
no i went to TYC texas youth commission. the age range was from 10-21. but mostly the age was 17+. there was all kinds of crap going on there. where i was at was the hard sentence offenders. the worst of the worst but still juvie. let me tell you its very raciest in jail. my first year there was nothing but fights. but after a while once they noticed i was not a b!tch little whiteboy it got better. jail is what you make of it. if you go in trying to be bad ass then you will get messed with. there are so many sex-offenders out there its crazy. there where people in there for rapping there sisters 1 month old baby, people rapping there grandmothers. man im telling you crazy stuff. and whats so messed up about it. this one kid rapped his little brother that was 2 years old and he got 2 year sentence. whats the justice in that.
Yes They do not deserve to be a drain on taxpayers.
FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!
wow thats some @!#$. i heard texas was one of the worst places to be in jail at. well at least you got your @!#$ figured out
yeah thats very true they will lock anybody up down here. but yeah i got my @!#$ together. living life to the max. but not illegal
