Robby002 wrote:I heard on the news that second hand smoke is worst than first hand smoke.
Smoking causes long cancer and its addictive just like any other drug.

Smoking should be illegal and we should not be allowed.

Good argument, must have put alot of though into it. /end sarcasm I mean are you seriously just learning this stuff? I read the artical, would anyone care to explain to me how second hand smoke, which has already been in someones lungs and has been diluted with oxygen is more potent then the smoke im inhaling myself.


I am a smoker. I feel i have the right to smoke. But i dont feel i have the right to make others smoke. I think no smoking in resturantes or public buildings is an awesome thing. Im glad NY did that. I also feel that theres no reason to smoke when in a group of people, such as concerts or sidelwalks where it is busy. However i dont feel that they cant interfere with my personal space such as my home or car.

NJ is trying to ban smoking in cars. Thats BS and if they pull that @!#$ in NY i will get ticket after ticket after ticket and i dont give a @!#$ because its a violation of my rights. If i own my car im gunna smoke if i want to untill they ban ciggarrettes period. To me they have no right to ban them outright. Yep they hurt people and yeah they may be addicting. However, if they ban them, people will still get them. And now instead of having a taxable product that you can buy in a store, there gunna have people sneaking them into the US and selling them illegally. And for what reason. To keep people from smoking. Lets also ban fast food so people can stop being fat. Its all about self control. Unlike weed and many other drugs, ciggs dont affect your state of mind.



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Personally, I say legalise the ever-lovin' sh!t out of tobacco, and that means, yes, drop the legal purchasing age. Completely.

There's scads of warnings, and if that isn't enough, one tug on a lit cigarette is usually the best way to deter kids... it's a filthy, disgusting and vile habit... but, if you really REALLY want to smoke, that's your choice... do it outside.

Take the allure out of it, and you'll see it for what it really is.

As for the lawsuits, I'd drop a rock on them for all the people who started smoking after the Surgeon General's warnings became mandatory in the mid-80's.

For second hand-smoke induced cancers, I'd say it's still fair game.



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Rosario wrote:

Robby002 wrote:I heard on the news that second hand smoke is worst than first hand smoke.
Smoking causes long cancer and its addictive just like any other drug.

Smoking should be illegal and we should not be allowed.

I read the artical, would anyone care to explain to me how second hand smoke, which has already been in someones lungs and has been diluted with oxygen is more potent then the smoke im inhaling myself.

the worse part of second hand smoke isn't from the exhaled smoke. Its from the smoldering cig releasing unfiltered smoke while your not actually smokeing it.


as for making it all out illegal, thats ignorant, imho.

this is what pisses me off. I have the right to choose if I want to smoke. I realize the consequences of me smoking, and I realize the consequences of second hand smoke. I fully agree that second hand smoke is bad for non-smokers, especially children. I further agree that parents should not smoke around their children. however, there's more to it than what the government and anti-smoking advocates are telling people.

as of November 2005, the federal government collected over $7 billion dollars annually in cigarette taxes. the states collectively collected over $11 billion. (taken from this website: http://www.brownandwilliamson.com/legal/taxQuickFacts.aspx) that's quite a chunk of change to just make disappear by outlawing smoking. besides, cigarettes are just one of those things that's not just going to disappear. think "Prohibition".

the other part is the government (federal and state) should not be telling me if and when I can smoke. telling a bar owner in Arizona who pays $90,000 a year for his liqour license that you're going to take away at least half his patrons. there were at least 5 businesses that I know of in Tempe, Arizona that shut down when they outlawed smoking in the bars. smokers will travel to find a bar that will allow them to smoke inside. not to mention, that's putting people who've been drinking on the road. it should be up to the business to make the decision if they're going to be a smoking establishment or not. non-smokers as well as smokers can make their own decision if they should go in or not. it would be like a Mormon family deciding whether to go into Hooters or Ruby Tuesday's.

my solution is for the government and tobacco companies to sit down and find a way to produce cigarettes without all the toxins and chemicals that they use in production these days. yes, tobacco smoke isn't ever going to be healthy. ever. however, taking people's rights away is NOT the way to go about things.


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Personally I think that if things like pot(which I gave up years ago - I grew up) are illegal, them tobacco should be to - as a matter of consistancy. However I really don't think that any drug should be illegal. Of course we could tax them(as well as taking money away from the gangs, dealers, etc), but that is not the main reason. As bad as many of them are, I think the government has no business telling you what to do with your body. But just so long as it doesn't harm others, that is - so I don't think people need to be smoking anything in a public within a enclosed place. Of course that call should also be made by the person who owns the building. If they want to allow/ban smoking, that is their call - and it should be marked on the outside of the building so everyone knows before they enter that there will be smoke. Then it is my choice to go in and breath smoke or go somewhere else.




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Personally I think that if things like pot(which I gave up years ago - I grew up) are illegal, them tobacco should be to - as a matter of consistancy. However I really don't think that any drug should be illegal. Of course we could tax them(as well as taking money away from the gangs, dealers, etc), but that is not the main reason. As bad as many of them are, I think the government has no business telling you what to do with your body. But just so long as it doesn't harm others, that is - so I don't think people need to be smoking anything in a public within a enclosed place. Of course that call should also be made by the person who owns the building. If they want to allow/ban smoking, that is their call - and it should be marked on the outside of the building so everyone knows before they enter that there will be smoke. Then it is my choice to go in and breath smoke or go somewhere else.

Now im not disagreeing with you. I dont have a problem with pot at all. However, you cant compare the two. Pot @!#$ with your head as well as other drugs, where ciggs dont. Pot and alcohol go together alot better

Bastardking3000 wrote:Personally I think that if things like pot(which I gave up years ago - I grew up) are illegal, them tobacco should be to - as a matter of consistancy. However I really don't think that any drug should be illegal. Of course we could tax them(as well as taking money away from the gangs, dealers, etc), but that is not the main reason. As bad as many of them are, I think the government has no business telling you what to do with your body. But just so long as it doesn't harm others, that is - so I don't think people need to be smoking anything in a public within a enclosed place. Of course that call should also be made by the person who owns the building. If they want to allow/ban smoking, that is their call - and it should be marked on the outside of the building so everyone knows before they enter that there will be smoke. Then it is my choice to go in and breath smoke or go somewhere else.

I agree with everything you just said.


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