I'm going to repost something off the site Crooks and Liars (great site, BTW)
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I shouldn't be surprised anymore when I see Jon Stewart take a conservative ideologue to the woodshed because he does it every time when he tries. Bill Bennett is the latest one to get played by Stewart. The topic is gay marriage and once again Jon gets the better of a conservative pundit.
Video-WMP Video-QT (not the whole segment)
(rough transcript)
Stewart: So why not encourage gay people to join in in that family arrangement if that is what provides stability to a society?
Bennett: Well I think if gay..gay people are already members of families...
Stewart: What? (almost spitting out his drink)
Bennett: They're sons and they're daughters..
Stewart: So that's where the buck stops, that's the gay ceiling.
Bennett Look, it's a debate about whether you think marriage is between a man and a women.
Stewart:I disagree, I think it's a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish.
Wasn't that a basic yet perfectly thought out idea? It goes downhill for Bennett from there.
I think for most of us-we're so used to these right wing talking heads debating against lame duck liberals on television that always get bull dozed by personalities such as Bennett; we are then amazed how effortlessly Stewart handles these guys. Jon always boils the debate down to it's simplest form which usually causes people like Bennett to look foolish. It doesn't say much for the class of pundits representing Democratic values when Stewart so easily defeats them.
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Great post. I love Crooks and Liars and I love Jon Stewart. The guy from Crooks and Liars is always on this show I listen on Sirius called The Young Turks (which is a frigan awesome show)(www.youngturks.com). I saw that interview last night that Jon did. Great stuff. Other than that I don't have to say.
Stewart likes to twist what someone says, to take things out of context and to use only part of someones quote against them and when hes called on it he yells over them to try and proove that the half truths and mis quotes hes rattled off is true. His audence cheers and he moves on. Hes an ass pure and simple, sure he is funny as sh-t sometimes and he can go off on both sides equaly.
Perfect example would be your quote above. I see nowhere in there that Bennett guy saying anything about gays as being a fetish group or some how they are sub-human, but Stewart in all his greatness put words into the guys mouth that were never said and tried to turn it into something like Bennett being a gay bashing nazi !!
AND HE GETS CHEERED FOR DOING IT ?!?!?!?
Hes not whittie or cleaver or snappy or smart all he is is an ass who gets these people on to national TV for a roast. I'd love it if he could actualy stay on topic but even when someone whom hes attacking can somehow get traction to mount a counter offensive aganist him HE CHANGES THE SUBJECT !!! Cause God forbid he be prooved wrong.
Hes a dick !
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Nowhere did Stewart say Bennett said it was a fetish. Stewart stated his opinion of what he thinks this debate is about.... right after Bennet himself did. So he didn't put any words in his mouth.
Watch the video again.
Further, Bennett had plenty if time to talk but he was clearly flabbergasted. Stewart was just trying to keep the dialogue moving. Bennet never once protested about the subject being changed.
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Ok I have no sound here at work I went off the quote you provided. Look at Stewarts last quote in what you posted and it says
Stewart : "I disagree, you think it's a debate about weather you think gay people are part of the human condition
or just some random fetish."
I didn't read anywhere anyone else saying anything remotly close to gays being a fetish group other then Stewart
trying to put those words into Bennetts mouth. And if starts to go down hill for Bennett after that wouldn't that mean that it did so because of Stewart putting words into his mouth ? Or is it a half mis-quote taken out of context ? Either way that one quote shows exactly what I was getting at in my first post. In fact I don't see where Bennett said ANYTHING at all bad about gays or referred to them as being in-human or a random fetish.
If I'm missing something AGuSTiN then please fill me in cause I don't want to slam Stewart unless hes asking for it, and from what I read here he is.
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You need to watch the video, dude. Wait till you get home.
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Ok I would guess that means I'm missing something.
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Yeah, Jack...
Stewart couches a germaine point in a comic light because of the silliness of it all. I have yet to see him really shout at anyone (outside of a comic sketch that is), because when he makes his point, it's pretty hard to argue the logic.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
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He's also the one that said the crime rate could be reduced if we aborted black babies.
I picked this quote out because it makes a point:
Here's an idea. Let's spend some money on making sure people are educated and aren't living in poverty.
I guarantee you we'd have less people committing crimes, and even less people thinking gay marriage is an issue if that happened.
^^^ It worked in the Soviet Union, China, India, Germany, Britain, Japan and even in the US, but people must have forgotten about it or something.
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It doesn't matter what you believe if Bennett is right or wrong, or Stewart twists what people say, Bennett in no way shape or form could handle John Stewart. And I hate "debates" like this because:
1. John Stewart is not as bad as Bill O'reilly or Alan Combs, but he clearly understands "He who shouts loudest, gets heard" whether John Stewart actaully has a point or not. The only thing that John Stewart has for his excusse is that its The Daily Show... in other words its a joke, or supposed to be
funny.
2. Unequal representation... like I said before Bennett couldn't debate John Stewart, I haven't read the book, I don't know if he has good points or not. Frankly I haven't heard a good argument on this ever. Personally I think its silly. Government shouldn't control who gets married, leave it up to religious institutions to do it. If Catholics, Protestants, etc are so wigged out by this, its not like they have grant gay marriages if its against there religion.
3. Buzz words, I had to turn this off cause I got sick and tired of hearing John Stewart say "human condition" gag me. Just like "Shock and Awe" or anything else we don't need another over used meaningless buzz word.
^ ^ ^ ^ Well at least I'm not the only one who thinks so highly of Stewart. See when in doubt shout ! Thank you Emor8t for seeing it too.
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I saw this Daily Show, Jon Stewart does 2 things really well. First, he's quick-witted, and can make a joke on-the-spot. Second, he seems to pick people who have unpopular views, so their audience is quick to applaud whatever wisecrack Stewart throws out there.
Bennet saying that the crime rate would go down if all black babies were aborted? Genocide at birth... how is this guy still alive? He must not go out in public without security guards.
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Ok so 2 years ago he behaived himself but that doesn't change how he is today. For example at one time the
Jerry Springer show was actualy a decent show with more then just toothless hillbillies fighting it out. But NOW
look at it and what is it? True I'm not saying Stewart is like Springer but you see what I'm getting at.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
I know where you're getting at, but I don't agree at all.
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Thats cool, but I still love you man !! :::: HUG ::::
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i didn't think this thread could get any gayer.. i was obviously wrong.
hey its a proven fact that you can't be mad when your being hugged.
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Awwww, did you want a hug too ?
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Do I have to quote myself AGAIN? lol.
::::: HUG ::::::
Better ?
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Hmmm... Emor8t said this post couldn't get any gayer, but his sig file is a phallus with the words "made by hand".... me thinks the truth bleeds through!
*disclaimer*
I don't know enough about Emor8t to make a formal accusation of any "lewinsky" activity with that cigar, nor do I claim to know enough about Emor8t's sexual orientation to properly state any "gay" comments. This was an attempt at a humorous observation regarding a sig file that looks like a penis pointing slighly down and the words "made by hand" being next to it. Not that my sig is that much cooler, but at least it doesn't need "sig file viagra".
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